Polluted rivers

[gagnaccarp]

As someone who regularly fishes rivers ,this is a subject that  winds me up , profit at any cost , the billions that have been made in profits , they should be forced to clean their act up , there is a large outlet near me , you need to be careful or else you could end up with a stomach bug or worse , see where the turds are near you = https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/e834e261b53740eba2fe6736e37bbc7b

[yonny]

5 minutes ago, gagnaccarp said:

this is a subject that  winds me up

Likewise.

Our own fault too. I saw this addressed on another forum.

Due to Brexit we had a supply chain issue of treatment chemicals so the govt were allowing private companies to dump raw sewage into our waterways. The govt just voted to keep it going too.

[carpepecheur]

Yes, disruption to the supply chain was widely predicted before Brexit but, had UK stayed in the EU, the pollution of rivers would not have been allowed and nobody wanted the EU telling them what they can and can't do! 

Edited October 26, 2021 by carpepecheur

[framey]

Doesn’t matter if you voted leave or not it still shouldn’t be allowed 

you could say those who voted for THIS government in 2019 allowed it to happen rather than blame it on brexit 

we are “allegedly”a great nation and we should produce our own ways to get rid of it rather than rely on a supply chain that can fail for any number of reasons.

 

 

[yonny]

1 hour ago, framey said:

you could say those who voted for THIS government in 2019 allowed it to happen rather than blame it on brexit 

Agreed.

[greekskii]

3 hours ago, carpepecheur said:

had UK stayed in the EU, the pollution of rivers would not have been allowed and nobody wanted the EU telling them what they can and can't do! 

The government wrote the Water Framework Directive pretty much word for word in to British law, they actually tightened the chemical elements which made nearly every single river fail instantly. Only issue is, the EU used to fine Britain heavily for not meeting targets...I cant see the government fining themselves can you? 

The water company regulators have put in to the next pricing review targets (i'm not sure thats exactly what it's called. its the AMP26 I believe) about pollution and effluent and clearing it up. I have sat in on numerous Anglian Water workshops and meetings about local SWT plants on the Nene and how they are looking to combat not only the incidents of overspill and pollution but the general outflows. Funnily enough, as one industry insider put it to me, the water that comes out a treatment works is more heavily regulated than what comes out your tap!

[greekskii]

5 hours ago, gagnaccarp said:

As someone who regularly fishes rivers ,this is a subject that  winds me up , profit at any cost , the billions that have been made in profits , they should be forced to clean their act up , there is a large outlet near me , you need to be careful or else you could end up with a stomach bug or worse , see where the turds are near you = https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/e834e261b53740eba2fe6736e37bbc7b

Interestingly enough I clicked on 100 of the larger dots and nearly every single one seems to have some form of mitigation either ongoing or agreed to be done in the next year or two. 

[carpepecheur]

It does bring a whole new meaning to the game of poo sticks.

[elmoputney]

1 hour ago, carpepecheur said:

It does bring a whole new meaning to the game of poo sticks.

I thought it was Priti Patels latest weapon in her fight against immigrants 😬

[gagnaccarp]

It's hard to blame people for voting tory at the last election , there were dark forces at work to make sure Corbyn lost , a once in a lifetime opportunity to be governed by an honest politician , now the opposition is Starmer , i think !

[elmoputney]

15 minutes ago, gagnaccarp said:

It's hard to blame people for voting tory at the last election , there were dark forces at work to make sure Corbyn lost , a once in a lifetime opportunity to be governed by an honest politician , now the opposition is Starmer , i think !

I regularly blame people, the 2019 labour manifesto was like porn compared to build back better or whatever 3 worded slogun it was then 

I keep hoping the forde enquiry will come out and make things right again, Corbyn would have got this country back on a good course, but it's been a brutal destruction of the Labour left when we most need it, 

Just saw this on fb, there is still some hope 

[elmoputney]

Some positive sounding news 

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/oct/26/uk-government-u-turns-on-sewage-after-tory-mps-threaten-rebellion?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

[gagnaccarp]

Forde report , the press won't touch it , Unless , like the Peter Stevanovic video it gains enough views on social media , so many that they have to mention it , the elephant in the room .

Corporate power ,oligarchy money , Murdoch etc owns our parliament and they are having a field day at our expense , £34 billion for a track n trace that is not fit for purpose , we need to stand up for our NHS before it's too late , we are loosing pieces every week .

[framey]

15 hours ago, gagnaccarp said:

It's hard to blame people for voting tory at the last election , there were dark forces at work to make sure Corbyn lost , a once in a lifetime opportunity to be governed by an honest politician , now the opposition is Starmer , i think !

And it would have been so much better under Corbin wouldn’t it …………

personally I hate all the parties as much as each other.

labour just waste money 

tories just waste money 

Lib Dem’s have so many splinters on their ass cheeks from sitting on the fence

Green Party Jesus Christ just don’t please..

SNP won’t be happy until she gets independence.Even though they couldn’t afford it without the money we plough into it.

 

 

 

[carpepecheur]

13 minutes ago, framey said:

personally I hate all the parties as much as each other.

 

I totally agree. As Miliband said today, we need a statesman not a party leader. Best on the horizon at the moment is Tom Tugendhat.

[framey]

Bring in Alan B’stard hahaha

there was a program back in the 80’s called yes minister and then yes prime minister 

all these people johnson, starmer ,sturgeon etc are just a face for the party the real leaders and decision makers sit in the back ground as in that program

Edited October 27, 2021 by framey

[elmoputney]

1 hour ago, carpepecheur said:

I totally agree. As Miliband said today, we need a statesman not a party leader. Best on the horizon at the moment is Tom Tugendhat.

I quite liked seeing milliband today, he actually managed to slightly rattle Boris, Starmer can't seem to do that, 

There are a few Labour politicians that I seem to agree with but they are being marginalised by the red tory side of Labour, but its a poor time as we are stuck with whatever the tories want to push through as they have such a big majority, 

I think it would have been better under Corbyn tbh a proper socialist with values and morals,I think now we have done brexit we need someone like him who actually has a vision for the many not the few I don't think the tories are capable of that it's pure capitalism greed now, the reason I believe JC was destroyed by the media was that he was a rare decent caring politician, and the money guys and the media couldn't have that so they destroyed the party from both sides, just my opinion of course and we will never know for sure but I don't hold much hope at the moment, like everyone else I am pretty sick of it all tbh, 

But we need to get rid of the tories by whatever means necessary before they sell the NHS and do a rivers of poop speech, 

Actually the angling Trust seem to be challenging the politicians on this topic and they were hopeful of some positive changes coming so fingers crossed 👍

 

[gagnaccarp]

Good to have a discussion on politics without any tantrums , Rivers of poop ! like it . what i despise in politics now is that lies have been normalised , it used to be the case that if you misled parliament and got caught you would resign , Boris and his crew do it every week , but what did everyone expect , he's a born liar , sacked from previous jobs for that reason , i think it was his headmaster that said , along with members of his family that he should not be allowed anywhere near power , just when we needed an honest hard working PM we got Boris , who treats the majority with contempt  ,a populist buffoon , a dangerous throttlebottom !

 

[carpepecheur]

14 hours ago, elmoputney said:

... do a rivers of poop speech, 

 

I love that Elmo. It is obviously an allegory for Enoch Powel’s Birmingham speech where he was brutally demolished by the media. He never ever said “rivers of blood”. He only quoted from a poem by the ancient Roman poet Virigil, referring to blood in the River Tiber in Rome. His media massacre was so comprehensive however that now, 60 years later, he is only remembered for something he never said. He had a brilliant mind which made people afraid of him and he is probably the best Prime Minister we never had.

12 hours ago, gagnaccarp said:

Good to have a discussion on politics without any tantrums , 

I totally agree. I think the reason that is possible is that none of the posters on this thread are pushing a party line in the manner of supporting a football team. I have a theory that all party politics (the mechanism for exerting political will) should be made illegal. Alongside this I would ban all forms of taxation (the source of political power) and replace it with an automatic levy on every single pound whenever it is withdrawn from a sterling account. This is the cheapest way to raise government finance without an opportunity to avoid it ...  and would be much less expensive for plebs like me.

 

I think "rivers of poo" is a good description of politics today.

 

Edited October 28, 2021 by carpepecheur

[salokcinnodrog]

On 26/10/2021 at 13:16, framey said:

Doesn’t matter if you voted leave or not it still shouldn’t be allowed 

you could say those who voted for THIS government in 2019 allowed it to happen rather than blame it on brexit 

we are “allegedly”a great nation and we should produce our own ways to get rid of it rather than rely on a supply chain that can fail for any number of reasons.

 

 

Problem is that it started with privatisation 30years ago.

Various utilities including the water boards had been saving and investing money to modernise the infrastructure, yet as they were privatised this money suddenly disappeared.

 

For years now Thames Water being a high profile company has been prosecuted regularly for various offences.

This pumping of sewage into the sea and rivers needs to be stopped, and it needs government support for that to happen. Sadly the current batch of muppets in parliament are offering no more than lip service, and many are in all probability on the backhanded list of the water companies.

[elmoputney]

4 hours ago, salokcinnodrog said:

Problem is that it started with privatisation 30years ago.

Various utilities including the water boards had been saving and investing money to modernise the infrastructure, yet as they were privatised this money suddenly disappeared.

 

For years now Thames Water being a high profile company has been prosecuted regularly for various offences.

This pumping of sewage into the sea and rivers needs to be stopped, and it needs government support for that to happen. Sadly the current batch of muppets in parliament are offering no more than lip service, and many are in all probability on the backhanded list of the water companies.

Yep most of the profits go off shore nowadays not back Into the service, 

It would be a shame for this to happen to the NHS aswell, please take the time to sign this as we do need to keep the NHS, and not let the tories ruin that too, 

https://www.yournhsneedsyou.com/

 

[framey]

15 minutes ago, elmoputney said:

Yep most of the profits go off shore nowadays not back Into the service, 

It would be a shame for this to happen to the NHS aswell, please take the time to sign this as we do need to keep the NHS, and not let the tories ruin that too, 

https://www.yournhsneedsyou.com/

 

Just get rid of all the quango managers and get the matrons and sisters back to run the wards  and bring most of it back in house instead of outsourcing

might actually have less wasted money in the system then 

and also stop the “where there’s a blame there’s a claim culture” we have nowadays as you are only taking twice the money out of your own pocket..

 

Edited October 31, 2021 by framey

[carpepecheur]

4 hours ago, salokcinnodrog said:

This pumping of sewage into the sea and rivers needs to be stopped, and it needs government support for that to happen. Sadly the current batch of muppets in parliament are offering no more than lip service, and many are in all probability on the backhanded list of the water companies.

Well said. Had we stayed in the EU this would not be allowed to happen under the Waterways Framework Directive (which we played a large part in formulating). Now we (or rather the ERG) have taken back control and can patronise whom they like.

 

12 minutes ago, elmoputney said:

Yep most of the profits go off shore nowadays not back Into the service, 

It would be a shame for this to happen to the NHS aswell, please take the time to sign this as we do need to keep the NHS, and not let the tories ruin that too, 

https://www.yournhsneedsyou.com/

I have a sneaky feeling we are already too far down that road but I have signed the petition anyway. WE need to be heard not humiliated.

[elmoputney]

1 minute ago, framey said:

Just get rid of all the quango managers and get the matrons and sisters back to run the wards 

might actually have less wasted money in the system then 

and also stop the “where there’s a blame there’s a claim culture” we have nowadays as you are only taking twice the money out of your own pocket..

 

I don't disagree it isn't perfect, but when the alternative is the american pay as you go healthcare system it is much better than that and that's what they want, healthcare should continue to be available for all, not just those with money 

I get bupa at work and thought I would use it when I did my back in, I got 6 30 minute treatments and it cost me over £200 quid, even with bupa, and I still needed medication from the NHS, 

[elmoputney]

5 minutes ago, carpepecheur said:

Well said. Had we stayed in the EU this would not be allowed to happen under the Waterways Framework Directive (which we played a large part in formulating). Now we (or rather the ERG) have taken back control and can patronise whom they like.

 

I have a sneaky feeling we are already too far down that road but I have signed the petition anyway. WE need to be heard not humiliated.

Yes I worry about that too, I've noticed this last week the media have started trying to turn the screw on how the NHS is failing us and trying to blame them for everything when thr reality is they have been overworked and under immense pressure due to a lack of staff and funding, during austerity cuts and a pandemic, 

One of the tories biggest failings during this pandemic has been the test and trace app, if you look closely it is now it's being called the NHS test and trace app which is a shift to blame its failure on the NHS, I daresay had it been a success it may have been Boris's test and trace app 🤔