elmoputney Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 Cheers guys I doubt I will use it anyway tbh unless I get really hard up for ideas, I don't want to get into faffing with bait and rigs this year 😂 I AM keeping it simple 🤕 ouchthathurt and Pete Springate's Guns 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouchthathurt Posted February 17, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 7 minutes ago, elmoputney said: Cheers guys I doubt I will use it anyway tbh unless I get really hard up for ideas, I don't want to get into faffing with bait and rigs this year 😂 I AM keeping it simple 🤕 That’s a good bet mate, simple rigs, bait you have confidence in and you can rest with the knowledge that those parts of the equation are sorted and you can concentrate solely on location, knowing that the bait and rig you use will do the job provided the carp find it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoputney Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 12 minutes ago, ouchthathurt said: That’s a good bet mate, simple rigs, bait you have confidence in and you can rest with the knowledge that those parts of the equation are sorted and you can concentrate solely on location, knowing that the bait and rig you use will do the job provided the carp find it. That's it, now I just need to remember how to get there its been so long 😂😢 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carpmaster Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 30 minutes ago, ouchthathurt said: Nick, did you ever notice a difference in “stiffness” between the 15lb and 25lb amnesia? I didn’t really suffer hookpulls, only had one from memory - although that was the biggest carp in the pond, a 36lb mirror which spat the hook at the net! (Still mourn that loss even now 20yrs later!) the biggest drawback I found in using amnesia as a continuation into a hair was the size of the overhand knot forming the hair loop! It would tear into a bait something awful. I did tie up a fluro rig using ESP soft ghost, to a fox wide gape size 5 with the hair formed by continuing the ghost hooklink, it still looks crude! The hook and bait just didn’t “sit” right, so I would use a supple hair now. Yet years ago, it was my go to rig! Funny how things change. It is lol I used a lasoo rig in the wharf as i found the older carp were sitters you’d have a bleep then another a few minutes later typical bream bite so changed hooks to a g-point gamagatsu on a lasoo rig found after that first bleep it would just be a savage take single tone job mr carp was hanging himself then my profile pic is my biggest from there but what a fight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salokcinnodrog Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 1 hour ago, ouchthathurt said: Nick, did you ever notice a difference in “stiffness” between the 15lb and 25lb amnesia? I didn’t really suffer hookpulls, only had one from memory - although that was the biggest carp in the pond, a 36lb mirror which spat the hook at the net! (Still mourn that loss even now 20yrs later!) the biggest drawback I found in using amnesia as a continuation into a hair was the size of the overhand knot forming the hair loop! It would tear into a bait something awful. I did tie up a fluro rig using ESP soft ghost, to a fox wide gape size 5 with the hair formed by continuing the ghost hooklink, it still looks crude! The hook and bait just didn’t “sit” right, so I would use a supple hair now. Yet years ago, it was my go to rig! Funny how things change. There's a difference in stiffness between clear and black Amnesia as well as the 25 being a lot stiffer than the lower stains. Black is more supple. I would tie as big a loop as possible, so the knot was only just going onto the bait. The rig was tied with a boilie on already. Then I'd take the bait off to store the rigs. Even a large loop could tear soft baits. Carpmaster 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoputney Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 Just seen an advert on Instagram for the new ESP chod hammers, I will be interested in those I think, they would work nicely on my stiff bottom rig 🤔 They have a nice point like the trig hammer Carpmaster 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoputney Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 They look nice don't they Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouchthathurt Posted February 17, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 I do like the look of the chod hammers... when did hooklinks get so complicated?? I used to catch stacks on Berkeley big game mono hooklinks in 15lb! It was my main line and I would just cut a length off and make a hooklink out of it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoputney Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 12 minutes ago, ouchthathurt said: I do like the look of the chod hammers... when did hooklinks get so complicated?? I used to catch stacks on Berkeley big game mono hooklinks in 15lb! It was my main line and I would just cut a length off and make a hooklink out of it! You ain't catching these days if it isn't complicated 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carpmaster Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 31 minutes ago, elmoputney said: They look nice don't they Barbless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoputney Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 Just now, Carpmaster said: Barbless There is a small barb if you look closely at them 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carpmaster Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 Just now, Carpmaster said: Barbless Got to be micro barbed I’m not the biggest fan of barbless tbh I’ve seen the damage they can cause Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carpmaster Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 Just now, Carpmaster said: Got to be micro barbed I’m not the biggest fan of barbless tbh I’ve seen the damage they can cause I’ve just noticed lol FairPlay they look a good strong hook elmo I’m not a fan of barbless they are a covert barb on them hooks there I like them Have you used them before elmo ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonny Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 12 hours ago, elmoputney said: ESP chod hammers They remind me of the old Chod Twisters which I didn't get on with at all. I really like the TrigHammers but I think I'll give the choddy version a miss tbh. elmoputney and Carpmaster 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoputney Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 58 minutes ago, yonny said: They remind me of the old Chod Twisters which I didn't get on with at all. I really like the TrigHammers but I think I'll give the choddy version a miss tbh. I guess it depends on the rig you are using them for, I like the stiff rigger hooks for my stiff rigs,these will be similar but maybe with a better point, so a worthwhile investigation to me(or an excuse just to buy some more hooks😂) 🤔 Also I actually like a twister type hook(not chod) for my multi rigs too I like the squareness and the angle I get with shrink tube lol I suppose if we all used the same thing tackle companies wouldn't last long 😂 yonny and Carpmaster 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoputney Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 These are pretty much my rigs this year top to bottom Bottom bait /wafter stiff rig Gardner 25lb trick link,i might get some 15lb too 😁 PVA bag rig (smaller krank type hook this year) Bank tackle braid but might get some Gardner braid, I like Gardner stuff at present Pop up multi rig, with whatever coated braid I choose first lol either bank tackle, jelly wire, or ESP tungsten all seem to work fine 😂 Nice and simple stuff 👌 ... and yonny 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouchthathurt Posted February 18, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 I do like the trighammers, when I first got them, i was a bit unsure, as I thought they may be a bit too thin in the wire, first session out and I caught an eel that I ended up badly distorting the hook when unhooking the rather lively snake with needlenose pliers, which didn’t settle my thoughts, but I caught a few carp with no problems at all, including a few hairy fights with an animal that got its head firmly buried in one of the few weed beds that sprouted up in the park lake. I had no problems with them at all and am now totally sold on them. elmoputney 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carpmaster Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 9 hours ago, elmoputney said: These are pretty much my rigs this year top to bottom Bottom bait /wafter stiff rig Gardner 25lb trick link,i might get some 15lb too 😁 PVA bag rig (smaller krank type hook this year) Bank tackle braid but might get some Gardner braid, I like Gardner stuff at present Pop up multi rig, with whatever coated braid I choose first lol either bank tackle, jelly wire, or ESP tungsten all seem to work fine 😂 Nice and simple stuff 👌 Not a bad bit of sharpening there elmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoputney Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 27 minutes ago, Carpmaster said: Not a bad bit of sharpening there elmo I didn't do those myself, I can sharpen them, but I bought those ones from ibhooks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carpmaster Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 14 minutes ago, elmoputney said: I didn't do those myself, I can sharpen them, but I bought those ones from ibhooks, I got you elmo I do my own Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoputney Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 10 minutes ago, Carpmaster said: I got you elmo I do my own I would normally but, I can either buy them sharpened or sharpen them myself for the same money, I still touch them up a bit and make sure they are ok before they go out but they are usually OK tbh Carpmaster 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salokcinnodrog Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 On 17/02/2021 at 12:34, salokcinnodrog said: I lost a couple of fish to hook pulls on Ardleigh of all places using a stiff hair, so went back to more supple materials. Both fish were on stiff rigs made from 25lb Clear Amnesia continued through to form the hair. One of the fish I had played for around 10minutes, then it just 'let go'. Annoyingly I never had another take from that spot. I think a stiffer hair has it's place, but it does need freedom of movement, a pivot point or able to slide up and down the D or hookshank in the first place The original improvement, hair made from braid Carpmaster 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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