... Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 Hi Guys..Wots reckon..gonna try em out 2moz night..🎣🎣 ianain 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJC carper Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 Why make things more complicated than they need to be? What are them rigs achieving that a standard hair rig wouldnt? Not saying they wont work but i just think keeping things simple works best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted October 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 Started off with combi hair rigs...trimmed the hair off and fitted hook beads n micro swivel also with some putty at the end of the striped back braid...only the 2nd different rig ive used...ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJC carper Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 But why have you done it? What are you fishing with pop ups or bottom baits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted October 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 Trying at pop ups...Stick white ones...but can also be used for bottoms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted October 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 Thanks common...but di want to keep it simple...1st time usin pop ups too...but should i use the floss to tie round or use it through and blob at the end?? If i use it through will it not take on water and start to gradually sink ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJC carper Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 When using bottom bait you may be better off with more separation between the bait and the hook. personally I'd use normal hair rig . Good luck though mate hope you bag few on it. B.C. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted October 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 Thanks guys...still new only couple of months into the carp game..used to be a matchman..mainly bamded pellet all the time..tried mini boilies with method feeder...but geddin on abit know😁😁. Have these rigs also with just hairs on upto 16mm baits.. Ronnies n chods can wait when more confident..maybe summer..dont fix wots not broke. Cheers guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greekskii Posted October 7, 2017 Report Share Posted October 7, 2017 As said. Multi rigs are even simpler for pop ups. I use them religiously. pop ups and balanced baits. Can't go wrong. your rigs will work but in my opinion the pop up is set too high, if you're fishing over scattered boilies over light weed and silt then yes, have the pop up set that high. But then your hooklink looks too short. It will just get dragged in to it and ask the hookpoint. If fishing over harder bottom I'd want the pop up shorter, just over the hook height. Id also recommend using a chod hook for pop ups not a long shank. It will grab the lip better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillfactor Posted October 7, 2017 Report Share Posted October 7, 2017 Personally speaking I think you have decreased the hooking potential with the angled kicker. If you draw a line from the top of the kicker to the hook point your see how much you have closed off the hook & now have quite a narrow margin for the hook to grab . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted October 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2017 Only made those 2...learning curve...cheers guy's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillfactor Posted October 7, 2017 Report Share Posted October 7, 2017 That's it mate .... learn as you go tweak here & there & your be sorted. Agree with Vic above it's the wrong hook pattern really . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted October 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2017 Korda Kaptor Curve size 6/8 any better...just ordered 2 lots of 10 in each size...gonna change the tube colour n braid to brown as the lake i fish is a clay bottom.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyborx Posted October 7, 2017 Report Share Posted October 7, 2017 my personal choice would have been for a curve shank, maybe a mugga #4, i dont like the point on the Kaptor it looks like it was sharpened with a pencil sharpener so it is a round point on a squared off wire section? i always reprofile my hooks to a tro-car style, much more effective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianain Posted October 7, 2017 Report Share Posted October 7, 2017 3 minutes ago, Old Joe Hook said: Rant over I get the feeling, it's only just begun oscsha 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greekskii Posted October 8, 2017 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 Proper jobs pop ups or responsive baits. Responsive 15mm pop ups have held my size 4 hooks up for days when pierced. I always pierce due to bird life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusian Posted October 8, 2017 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 Hello Highy IMO if you can tie rigs like the ones you have shown you can easily tie a Ronnie Rig , or as Greekskii says a Multi Rig . Personally I would go for a Gardner Mugga Sz. 6 and have the Hook Stop set lower down the hook shank opposite the point of the hook . I'm also a floss man , using a Hook Ring Swivel . 🙂 ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted October 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 Hi all...jus finished a 24hr with the rigs...landed 16 carp n 2 chub...lost 3 while playing...variations of bottom and pop...so pretty confident in them..👍👍 B.C. and phil dalts 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salokcinnodrog Posted October 8, 2017 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 On 6 October 2017 at 21:18, LJC carper said: Why make things more complicated than they need to be? What are them rigs achieving that a standard hair rig wouldnt? Not saying they wont work but i just think keeping things simple works best. I'm the same as LJC, don't make things more complicated than they need to be. A standard knotless knotted rig probably catches most of the carp each week, and works for bottom baits and pop-ups. They look like pop-up rigs, with movement, but as Vik says, the pop-up may have too much separation from the hook. For pop-ups, I prefer the bait tight to the hook, although a long hair can cause confusion as per Bill Cottam and Brian Garner when The Mangrove was first opened up. My go-to pop-up (and snowman) is often a D-rig, (and often on a longer shank hook), a bit of movement, it resets and hookholds are usually nailed properly. Me personally, I tie pop-ups on, although I recently had a revelation with that as I have been meshing baits. Mesh the bait, a twist of braid (dental floss) and knot it, leave the tag ends, then cut the mesh and lighter tag it. Using the braid tie the pop-up to a rig ring on the D-rig. The bait screws are brilliant, don't get me wrong, but crayfish can remove the bait without your knowledge, or any indication. Last year on Nazeing they were so bad, even meshed pop-ups got munched! I ended up using wooden balls as 'permanent' pop-ups with a blooming great match anglers olivettes as the counterweight. In fact I ended up with tench over 12 and carp to 28lb doing that. ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smufter Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 For my pop up presentations I tend to use these..... http://gardnertackle.co.uk/product/pop-up-hook-aligners/ There's an accompanying video on that page if you click on the link. Very easy to use. I thread the rubber part that forms the D through a bait screw with a rig ring attached. Can get that well hidden within the pop up and doesn't weigh too much I also use these instead of putty or split shot to hold them down..... https://www.anglingdirect.co.uk/fox-edges-kwick-change-pop-up-weights Nice and neat. ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted October 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 Aligners look easier to use than tying the 'D'..might invest in a few.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smufter Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 11 minutes ago, Highy said: Aligners look easier to use than tying the 'D'..might invest in a few.. They are a doddle. Even I can use them!! If you are going with a size 6 or 4 hook you'll need the "large" size. Anything smaller hookwise, go with the "small". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted October 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 I tens to use size 8/6...but at moment favouring size 6 Korda Kaptor curve... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smufter Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 Just now, Highy said: I tens to use size 8/6...but at moment favouring size 6 Korda Kaptor curve... "Large" it is then Mush. As I say, they are really simple. I thread a bait screw onto the D rather than a ring. Just prefer to mount my pop ups like that. B.C. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil dalts Posted October 12, 2017 Report Share Posted October 12, 2017 Personally chaps this rig talk is completely useless. I'm fairly retentive when it comes to rigs, gotta look right, sit right etc. Then a big blow, my mate who just chucks any old rig on goes and catches a 30lb common last week on a blow back rig used with a pop up!!!! Single shot, very agricultural too, pre made rig as well. So work that out lads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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