Stop the Madness!!

[phir]

A very dangerous virus is planned to be released in all Australian freshwater waterways. If this escapes the country (in a travelling anglers damp gear for example) it could destroy the species in many countries around the world.

There are many other concerns with this idea which have not been considered!

 

Please help by signing the petition below

 

https://www.change.org/p/barnaby-joyce-barnaby-joyce-don-t-release-a-virus-into-australian-rivers?recruiter=39268449&utm_source=petitions_show_components_action_panel_wrapper&utm_medium=copylink

[cyborx]

the carp anglers of the whole world could protest but! and here is the crunch, the austrailian government would no more take notice of us than it would to a hippy trying to smuggle a kilo of weed in thru the border.

the white population of that unfortunate country are the only blot on the landscape, they have absolutely no clue about conservation or preservation, they spout on about none native species but here is an abbreviated list of animals, insects and plants that have been introduced purposefully by humans into that otherwise pristine environment.

Plants

• Bridal creeper
• Patterson's curse
• Koster's curse
• scotch thistle

Mammals

• Water buffalo
• Dromedary
• Deer
• Donkey
• Ferret
• Brown hare
• Brumby
• House mouse
• Northern palm squirrel
• Polynesian rat
• black rat
• brown rat
• european rabbit 

Birds

• Common pheasant
• Common myna
• Common starling
• Eurasian skylark
• Eurasian blackbird
• Eurasian tree sparrow
• European greenfinch
• European goldfinch
• Feral pigeon
• Hill myna
• House sparrow
• Mallard
• Nutmeg mannikin
• Spotted dove

Fish

• Asian carp
• Brown trout
• Common carp
• Common roach
• European perch
• Mosquitofish
• Rainbow trout
• Rosy barb
• Rudd
• Tilapia
• Tench
• Weather loach

Reptiles

• House gecko

Arthropods

• Argentine ant
• Black Portuguese millipede
• Western honeybee
• Red imported fire ant
• Yellow crazy ant

·European wasp

Echinoderms

• Northern Pacific seastar

there are many more not listed including deadly virus such as myxomatosis to control the (introduced) rabbit population, the cane toad to eradicate the larvae of the cane beetle and the list goes ever on. so sign a petition? why waste my time on the ignorant overbearing ausie bureaucrat that is so self centered that they even tried to eradicate the native Aborigine. so, sign a bit of paper for the convict crocodile hunters to ignore? waste my time i wont :twisted:

[buzzbomb]

C'mon Cyborx, say what you feel, it isn't healthy to keep those emotions bottled up. [emoji3]

[chillfactor]

What's your take on the UK then cyborx. ... as that list is smaller than ours ?

[cyborx]

C'mon Cyborx, say what you feel, it isn't healthy to keep those emotions bottled up. [emoji3]

 

cant do that buzz, i might upset someone

[cyborx]

What's your take on the UK then cyborx. ... as that list is smaller than ours ?

well as you asked Phill, i will tell you. i think that the people who were voted in to run this country are doing just as good a job as the austrailian government are, the only differences are that the ausies are doing something (belatedly) about their predicament even if they are going about it in what i thing is a criminally irresponsible way (and if this post infringes any rules about politics, i apologize) and the brit gov are just hiding under the blankets hoping it will all go away. just remember, you asked as for the uk list being longer, you must read a different comic to me bud cos here it is, species introduced by human hands into the uk for the last 500 years, against 227 years for that convicts.

 

 

Mammals

• Grey squirrel
• Brown rat
• House mouse
• Edible dormouse
• Coypu
• American mink
• Reeves's muntjac
• Sika deer
• Chinese water deer

Birds

• Rose-ringed parakeet
• Red-legged partridge
• Golden pheasant
• Lady Amherst pheasant

Fish

• Zander
• Wels catfish
• Rainbow trout
• Walleye
• Bitterling
• Bluegill
• Common carp
• Black bullhead
• Goldfish
• Grass carp
• Orfe
• Pumpkinseed
• Topmouth gudgeon
• Sunbleak
• Fathead minnow
• Pacific humped back salmon
• Crucian carp

Amphibians

• Alpine newt
• Midwife toad
• Yellow-bellied toad
• Marsh frog
• American bullfrog

Reptiles

• Aesculapian snake
• European pond terrapin
• Pond slider
• Common wall lizard
• Burmese python

Crustaceans

• Signal crayfish
• Chinese mitten crab
• Killer shrimp

Insects

• African pine mosquitos

i make that UK 45 against AU loadsalot.

 

ooops, a quick edit to add foreign otters to that list sorry

Edited May 18, 2016 by cyborx

[chillfactor]

You haven't included plants on your UK list but you did for your Australian one .

Include plants and there's a big difference.

[chillfactor]

 

http://www.nonnativespecies.org/index.cfm?sectionid=47

[cyborx]

You haven't included plants on your UK list but you did for your Australian one .

Include plants and there's a big difference.

 

oh sorry phill, i stupidly used the same site for a more unbiased comparison and as the site you used is only a uk and uk territories it does not offer a comparison

 

i did notice that i left rats on the ausie one tho.

[cyborx]

i found this interesting little snippet for you Phil, apparently Dingo's are also an invasive species. who knew eh!!

the ausie convicts have managed to spoil their environment with over 3000 none native species in less than 230 years, THAT is a little more than the uk even if you do include the plants.

so according to your list that you kindly provided thats UK 70 vs AU c3000?

 

 

Australia has been isolated and insulated from the rest of the world for millions of years. In its isolation many specialised plants and animals evolved that were uniquely adapted to its particular environment. Up until the arrival of Europeans settlers starting in 1788, only one non-indigenous animal was introduced to Australia. This was the dingo which arrived about 4,000 years ago. Since 1788 however more than 25 mammals, 20 birds, 4 reptiles, 1 frog, 34 fish, hundreds of marine species, an unknown number of invertebrates and more than 2,800 weeds have been introduced to Australia.

[phir]

All interesting info.

And irrelevant.

 

The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing

 

This is about our sport, this is about your fellow angler brothers reaching out to you from the other side of the world.

 

Please sign & comment, if the powers that be see there is substantial opposition and there are other potential implications they may reconsider.

[chillfactor]

Phir, I would like to completely disassociate with the convict jibes in this thread , I have lived & worked in Australia & it's a fantastic country.

I feel for your plight but these E petitions are a waste of time mate .

[spr1985]

I'm sorry but e petitions are not a waste of time at all, providing they get 10,000 signatures government is duty bound to discuss it in parliament, so it is well worth a shot even if it only bring a little more attention to it in the public eye......do the non angling public have any clue that this is going on?

 

 

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[phir]

I feel for your plight but these E petitions are a waste of time mate .

 

 

I know but it does provide us a with voice, and some form of unification. How else can we unite behind this cause? Imagine we can get 10000 signatures behind this.. at the very least it will create an awareness that this is more than a one-sided issue, and the outcome might be much better than that.

 

It literally takes seconds to sign, please guys help us out.

[chillfactor]

I'm sorry but e petitions are not a waste of time at all, providing they get 10,000 signatures government is duty bound to discuss it in parliament, so it is well worth a shot even if it only bring a little more attention to it in the public eye......do the non angling public have any clue that this is going on?

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it's 100 thousand not 10 thousand . And all it means even if you do get to that figure is that it will be raised in parliament & then dismissed.

[spr1985]

My apologies I missed a zero, but either way I think you are taking a narrow minded view on this, yes our government are useless and likely to just dismiss it BUT..... It will get it into the public eye and once these things are out in the open its not to easy to get them back in the box,

 

 

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[chillfactor]

Do you think it will have any sway if people from the other side of the world vote on this petition.

The votes need to be by Australians.

[spr1985]

I can see where you are coming from with that point and I kind of agree but any signature is a signature, and I have relatives that live in oz so if I sign it and share it with them and they share it and there Aussie friends sign it and share it with there friends (I think you can see where this is going) so one English signature may result in hundreds of Aussie signatures, I try to keep an open mind and a little bit of hope in humanity but hey .......I may be completely wrong and it could be a done deal but if we don't try we would never know the outcome of what could have been

 

 

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[phir]

It doesn't have many signatures as it's only a few days old.

 

I think opposition world-wide will have a much bigger impact than australian signatures only.

They need to realise this is a global issue, as this virus has the potential to cause havoc in many other countries, and it could be triggered by their ignorant actions.

 

More than that other countries may also consider introducing KHV if it is done here, thereby magnifying the potential for disaster in the UK and Europe.

 

I have a background in biology and epiemiology and a good understanding of the mechanisms behind global epidemics. The Avian flu which started in Asia is not dissimilar. It only takes one infected individual on a plane to cause an escalation, and soon you have a pandemic.

[newmarket]

Maybe Cameron and his lickers of a uk government should pay to have all the Aussie Carp removed and brought over here , where they are treated a LITTLE better , via a period in isolation of course , in order to replace all the British Carp that their precious cuddly little Otters have murdered ?

[chillfactor]

The problem here is .... we are looking at it from our point of view & not the Australian governments.

At a guess I would say that 90% if not higher of Australians see carp as a real problem over there so the government is already listening to there population .

I could never agree with releasing a virus into the wild perhaps wide scale industrial netting is needed but it will still end badly for the carp .

As I said I've lived out there & know first hand what they think about carp !

[cyborx]

Phir, I would like to completely disassociate with the convict jibes in this thread , I have lived & worked in Australia & it's a fantastic country.

I feel for your plight but these E petitions are a waste of time mate .

 

Phil, nice to see you disassociate yourself from the "convict jibe"

this "jibe" was actually from a comment that a true Australian made to me while referring to his homeland, the reference also included a pictorial description of life for the greater portion of the populace.

"those yabbies that run the country have put up a metaphorical wall around Australia and made it like a prison environment, you can only eat what they let you produce or what is imported under the scrutiny of the government and their lackeys.

this goes for anything you use, tools vehicles and even construction materials.

you cant even just grab something off an international site like amazon or ebay without it being put under the scrutiny of the dept of immigration and border protection, it makes us feel like the convicts that most of us are descended from".

a quote from an Australian ex pat in this country who just wanted to have a free choice on how he lived his life, sound like convicts to me

 

but that aside, i have just signed the petition and waste my time i hope i have not

[chillfactor]

Load of Tosh ! Think we all know what your convict jibes were about .

Trying to back down on them with a story of one disgruntled Australian pathetic.

I can't stand race jibes!

We have Australian friends every other year come and visit us, if you think all Australians think they live in a prison, so it's OK to call them convicts you are very miss guided.

 

And as for newmarket liking your post that doesn't surprise me one bit either. Sad very sad .

[cyborx]

Load of Tosh ! Think we all know what your convict jibes were about .

Trying to back down on them with a story of one disgruntled Australian pathetic.

I can't stand race jibes!

We have Australian friends every other year come and visit us, if you think all Australians think they live in a prison, so it's OK to call them convicts you are very miss guided.

 

And as for newmarket liking your post that doesn't surprise me one bit either. Sad very sad .

so, calling an australian 'convict' rocks your boat? yours is a small world indeed Phil

and dont EVER presume to know what i do or do not think bud.

Edited May 19, 2016 by cyborx

[chillfactor]

if you called any of my Ozi mates a convict to there face you would be picking your teeth up off the floor . Perhaps if your world wasn't so small you would know this , & wouldn't of mentioned it in the first place .