gagnaccarp Posted December 24, 2015 Report Share Posted December 24, 2015 Since loosing a good size fish to an underwater snag when the drop off system got caught in a v between branches i have wanted to make my own drop off using pebbles, over the last few days in between shopping i think i have come up with something that should be good for margin and bait boat fishing it could be ok for casting long distances with a bit of practice. I will post it up over the next few days , if i can stay sober enough ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusian Posted December 25, 2015 Report Share Posted December 25, 2015 Well jolly well stay sober Gagnaccarp , your public needs to know this stuff ! . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gagnaccarp Posted December 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 25, 2015 I will try my best crusian , I spent 2 hours writing up and making it pretty and was within 5 minutes of posting it yesterday when my laptop froze for a minute and it all went off ,laptop nearly went through the window , sorry to keep you in suspenders , I should get a chance this evening ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gagnaccarp Posted December 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 25, 2015 here goes then ! so,in this diagram you have your mainline attatched to your rig via the swivel at "B" 1st tie your .5 kg line to the swivel at point "B" and thread it through the pebble and tie at point "A" leave just a little bit of slack,you could cover this length of rig with some tubing ,where it touches the pebble ! 2nd thread some 9 ply pva string through swivel at point "B" and through pebble and return to point "B" maybe double up for extra strength ! now this has to be tight as it will take the load on casting also make sure you have removed any sharp edges after drilling ,i used an angle grinder a dremmel tool or sand paper will do , try to pick pebbles that you can get a drill bit through ,avoid hard stone like granit , i used sandstone. the hole was made with a 6 mm masonry bit in a cordless drill you might have to play around with the line through the center of the pebble to get the desired weight of break to you lead etc i just had some old .5 kg maxima lying around ! if all goes well this is what you should be left with after a take ,i tried it around 10 times and it seemed pretty reliable ive not tried it out properly yet though , i hope you can make sense of this if anyone can improve then please do ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gagnaccarp Posted December 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 25, 2015 inspired by a big mac ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusian Posted December 25, 2015 Report Share Posted December 25, 2015 Thanks Gagna. So the pva melts after casting , and the line running through the pebble has enough strength to give the bolt rig effect , but it will snap if the pebble gets snagged on something ? . I guess the Pebbles are really smooth to prevent chafing on the braid hook link . I wonder how expensive a Stone Tumbler would be , or maybe a matt varnish - maybe a yacht varnish ? . I don't know how you feel about " dropping the lead " if a Carp shakes its' head so it can't use the leads' weight to help eject the hook ? ; I guess after you've lovingly made your Pebbles you'd be loath to dump them on the river bed every time you hooked a Carp ? . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spr1985 Posted December 25, 2015 Report Share Posted December 25, 2015 Cristian it's the pva that runs the ought the pebble (I think). It seems the whole point is to dump the pebble on every cast.... Cheaper than dumping leads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spr1985 Posted December 25, 2015 Report Share Posted December 25, 2015 Crusian* not Cristian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusian Posted December 25, 2015 Report Share Posted December 25, 2015 Hi Spr I thought the Pebble still had the 5kg. line running through it ? . I guess I'll just have to wait for Gagna. to explain it in Noddy language to me . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gagnaccarp Posted December 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 25, 2015 (edited) the line that breaks on pick up is 1/2 kg , I wrote on the diagram . 5 kg, (point 5kg ) could well go to 2 lb breaking strain ( I use 50 l braid ), the pva string goes through the pebble and returns back to the swivel over the top of the pebble . your rig ,which could be protected with tubing where it touches the pebble does not go through the pebble ! it sounds complicated but after a couple of goes it can be tied in a 2 mins ! when its done you can simply test it by lifting via the mainline and making sure the weight is taken via the pva string and not the 1/2 kg line Edited December 25, 2015 by gagnaccarp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gagnaccarp Posted December 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 25, 2015 after your pva string has melted you should be left with this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spr1985 Posted December 25, 2015 Report Share Posted December 25, 2015 I was wrong crusian, I realised that shortly after what I wrote :/ my bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusian Posted December 25, 2015 Report Share Posted December 25, 2015 Well Spr I missed the point - literally ! . 0.5kg not 5kg , good job I'm not an Engineer . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalthegooner Posted December 25, 2015 Report Share Posted December 25, 2015 here goes then ! Ingenious, Gagna. Loving that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gagnaccarp Posted December 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 cheers dal, i just like the idea of having just a swivel between me and fish whilst playing it ,and if the worst does happen then there is a good chance carpy will not get tethered , as i fish snaggy rivers .cant wait to give it a go in spring ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gagnaccarp Posted December 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 This might make it a bit easier to understand ! this pebble is around 4 oz and is sanded down with a bit of sand paper, only took a minute ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gagnaccarp Posted December 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 sorry people but i redid the diagram ,i put the A and B the wrong way round , i tried to edit but i was told i didnt have permission ! what a numpty ! i might have to cut back on the whiskey . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nealjt Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 (edited) Very cool gagna!! I love a diy solution Edited December 28, 2015 by nealjt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmboy Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 Hi there mate why done you use a inline lead drop off it will work the same as a pebble with a whole☺ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gagnaccarp Posted December 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 great stuff everyone ! keep em coming . I have actually looked at that system Nealjt ,clever idea ! I was trying to get away from dumping leads though ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nealjt Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 Ah interesting, that's a tough one! Is a good point you've raised though as a lead clip as shown in your experience is a potential item to snag. So you want everything intact unless it becomes snagged? Tricky! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzbomb Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 Hi there mate why done you use a inline lead drop off it will work the same as a pebble with a whole☺I think it's because pebbles are non-polluting and they're free.Ingenious, Gagna. Loving that gagnaccarp and nealjt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gagnaccarp Posted December 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 im a builder ,so no outlay on tools , I have a garden that has thousands of round smooth sandstone pebbles in it , its a no brainer for me ! nealjt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wamps Posted December 29, 2015 Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 the pebbles are a really good idea just as long as you are short range fishing because i think a 3 or 4 ounce sandstone pebble might be rather large and therefore less aerodynamic losing yards of a cast nealjt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gagnaccarp Posted December 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 yes I reckon you would loose some distance on a long cast also, I thought of this method just for my style of river fishing in france ,I rarely am able to get 2 rods out where I fish,i occasionally fish at distance and when I do I have my kayak with me and I will take me rig out and lovingly position it on the spot , I would have to have confidence in this method via a bit of distance casting to make sure the system can withstand the force from a long cast without damage to the pva string , im confident it would though if prepared properly ,I would not want to be killing people ,cows on the opposite bank with pebbles , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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