newmarket Posted September 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 Jeeez cyborx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smufter Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 he can start with me then,, its been a looooonnng time Married huh???? newmarket and cyborx 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyborx Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 DF bashing is becoming a bit of a pastime, but to be fair to the bloke it don't matter who DF, KN, RG. they might be nice blokes to talk to but they ALL want your money. that's why they are in business. even the "educating the youngsters" line is aimed at generating cash in the long run. every bit of tackle that they produce, good or bad is aimed at getting wonga out of your wallet. every FREE dvd is just promotional gumph to get you to buy their gear and line their pockets. every angler that they sponsor is just a walking advert that most carpers see as hero's and seek to emulate, thereby further generating cashola. all purveyors of carp tackle sell c rap as well as gold, you just have to be astute enough to see thru the hype and choose wisely. so go ahead and bash DF if you feel you need to, but dont forget that others are just as guilty of opportunism. i do apologize to Danny, Kevin and Richard for using you as examples but that does apply across the board to all tackle developers and manufacturers and in fact ANY one who is in the business of supplying goods to the public. rant over carpmachine 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyborx Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 yeah, there great when there girlfriends, the following 30 years is a life sentence. Unfortunately i married my partner late in life so if she gets 30yrs out of me she will be lucky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newmarket Posted September 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 DF bashing is becoming a bit of a pastime, but to be fair to the bloke it don't matter who DF, KN, RG. they might be nice blokes to talk to but they ALL want your money. that's why they are in business. even the "educating the youngsters" line is aimed at generating cash in the long run. every bit of tackle that they produce, good or bad is aimed at getting wonga out of your wallet. every FREE dvd is just promotional gumph to get you to buy their gear and line their pockets. every angler that they sponsor is just a walking advert that most carpers see as hero's and seek to emulate, thereby further generating cashola. all purveyors of carp tackle sell c rap as well as gold, you just have to be astute enough to see thru the hype and choose wisely. so go ahead and bash DF if you feel you need to, but dont forget that others are just as guilty of opportunism. i do apologize to Danny, Kevin and Richard for using you as examples but that does apply across the board to all tackle developers and manufacturers and in fact ANY one who is in the business of supplying goods to the public. rant over Believe it or not i actually agree with every word you said there . Going back to what you said about every DVD : TV programme being a marketing tool , that is why i was so pleasantly surprised by the Korda website mate . Although it "suggests" materials to use to make the rigs you would expect it from any company wouldnt you ? Only its easy to utilise any firms materials to suit and its this plus the clarity and detail which has reaaly impressed me so well done Danny boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyborx Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 (edited) Believe it or not i actually agree with every word you said there . Going back to what you said about every DVD : TV programme being a marketing tool , that is why i was so pleasantly surprised by the Korda website mate . Although it "suggests" materials to use to make the rigs you would expect it from any company wouldnt you ? Only its easy to utilise any firms materials to suit and its this plus the clarity and detail which has reaaly impressed me so well done Danny boy i have to say, i was well impressed by the rigz section, and as you say you can implement anyone's gear to replicate the rigs BUT most kids coming up today would take it as gospel that the rig just HAS to have the line suggested at the very least to get the same effect so while we are at it we might as well do a proper job with the rig rings, putty and hooks etc too. so for the cost of a couple of grand to set it up it will eventually pull in a hell of a lot more in revenue (or tax write offs) so yes, big up to DF for the charity work and all the educational stuff (again tax deductible) he is putting in place, but you cannot escape the fact that it is meant to enrich his bank balance in the long run. i dont mean to belittle Danny one bit, i think the man has one hell of a set of eggs to get as far as he has. and i think he does more for charity than anyone else i could mention. but sorry to sound pessimistic, i doubt he would do it if it actually cost him money p.s. i have actually learned somethings from the knot section so 'bookmarked' Edited September 8, 2014 by cyborx newmarket 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalthegooner Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 .... but sorry to sound pessimistic, i doubt he would do it if it actually cost him money He is using his own money to start Embryo (Albeit he is asking for people to donate things, so I don't know how much of his own money ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyborx Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 He is using his own money to start Embryo (Albeit he is asking for people to donate things, so I don't know how much of his own money ) sorry to keep on about this so it will be my last post on this matter, have you never heard of speculation? its where you use your own money to pay for things initially with the view to reaping a profit somehow when your investment comes to fruition, also if you donate to charity you can write of the donation as a tax loss, and if you educate young people with the intent of bringing on the next generation of carpers then you are ensuring a wider customer base for the future. (christ i'm scaring myself here) not wanting to upset anyone by peeing on their hero but that's life and i'm going on xbox now so nite nite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newmarket Posted September 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 Quite right but no different to anybody else . cyborx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newmarket Posted September 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 Quite right but no different to anybody else . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
androoooo Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 Any succesful company relies on recruiting new users to it's brand. Korda have done a fantastic job at recruiting people to their brand. They've tapped into a growing number of people entering the sport and made it accessible. Through their youtube account and website and used this to recruit new carpers rather than trying to win more experienced anglers. That's where there success is. The korda products I have used I've found to do what they're meant to and can't really knock them. I think they get hate as they're associated more closely with new less inexperienced anglers that the more experienced anglers like to knock and so korda gets picked on as a result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalthegooner Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 (edited) sorry to keep on about this so it will be my last post on this matter, have you never heard of speculation? its where you use your own money to pay for things initially with the view to reaping a profit somehow when your investment comes to fruition, also if you donate to charity you can write of the donation as a tax loss, and if you educate young people with the intent of bringing on the next generation of carpers then you are ensuring a wider customer base for the future. (christ i'm scaring myself here) not wanting to upset anyone by peeing on their hero but that's life and i'm going on xbox now so nite nite Embryo is a non profit making organisation (Although more than likely tax deductible ). There is no doubt that it will make Korda and Guru more money in the long run as a natural side effect of the good work that it will do. And rest assured, there is no one in the angling fraternity that I would ever consider a hero. I enjoy a good debate, and this is one of the few subjects that can be debated online with a minimal risk of being misconstrued / misunderstood. Don't apologise for having a point of view. I can categorically say that I will not become upset, irate or sulk because of an alternative point of view Edited September 8, 2014 by dalthegooner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyborx Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Quite right but no different to anybody else . exactly my point, i started off saying to the danny bashers that he was no worse than anyone else in the business and my point stands Any succesful company relies on recruiting new users to it's brand. Korda have done a fantastic job at recruiting people to their brand. They've tapped into a growing number of people entering the sport and made it accessible. Through their youtube account and website and used this to recruit new carpers rather than trying to win more experienced anglers. That's where there success is. The korda products I have used I've found to do what they're meant to and can't really knock them. I think they get hate as they're associated more closely with new less inexperienced anglers that the more experienced anglers like to knock and so korda gets picked on as a result. Andy you just re-enforce the point that i was making about everything they do being geared toward increasing the profit margin. and as i stated, that goes for ANY company anywhere on the globe. i wasn't knocking, more just saying what you did but fully across the board. i use Korda product myself and would be happy to blow his trumpet for him Embryo is a non profit making organisation (Although more than likely tax deductible ). There is no doubt that it will make Korda and Guru more money in the long run as a natural side effect of the good work that it will do. And rest assured, there is no one in the angling fraternity that I would ever consider a hero. I enjoy a good debate, and this is one of the few subjects that can be debated online with a minimal risk of being misconstrued / misunderstood. Don't apologise for having a point of view. I can categorically say that I will not become upset, irate or sulk because of an alternative point of view Embryo may be a not for profit org Dal but even charities generate profit in the long run, the people that use the lakes will need to get their gear from somewhere and as Embryo is geared toward opening more lakes to the public and giving the youth of today a place to meet and fish with their mates (instead of street corners et al), it stands to reason that there will be more and more people coming into our sport soooo more people buying gear and profit margins up. the majority of that profit will go into the pockets of the big three, but it still means more wonga as a side effect... i rest melud yes charity work IS tax deductible, if you send in the cancelled cheques and or a bank statement showing the donation you can make a FULL deduction from your tax bill for the same year so Korda and anyone else donating money or goods to the value of are not actually losing out on cash. the comment about "hero's" was actually pointed at the wider community not you personally because rest assured, there are carpers out their who worship some of the big guns and even try to emulate them (sad gits) i too love a good debate and this one seems to be getting better and better :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraserking Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 It really is simple as far as I'm concerned, if you don't like Korda don't buy their stuff! I'm sure, If DFs name wasn't on the Daiwa rods someone elses would be! For the record I rarely buy their stuff, I have a fondness for N Trap coated braid and the Crusher is great, but not a lot more. But someone obviously does buy a lot of their stuff, so it can't be all that bad! Not sure about the 'Chav' connection :\ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smufter Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 Not sure about the 'Chav' connection Just me I guess. The local lads who fish down this way in their hoodies and trainers all tend to use Korda stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smufter Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 excuse lads but what is a chav. Errrr........normally recognised by a hoodie over their heads, (even when driving), or a baseball cap on back to front/sideways, jeans with the crotch hanging down around their knees showing off a vast expanse of Calvin Kleins, wearing a bit of "bling" and white trainers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newmarket Posted September 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 Have a butchers at this; http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chav Cant imagine why these brats want to be someone they quite obviously are NOT . South central los angeles has a lot to answer for Without a sociology lecture , imo in the uk it goes back to the 80's terrace culture . All the boys over West ham & Chelsea would go football dressed like they were clubbing on a friday night and within a couple of years it had steadily spread north . Of course by that time the cockney boys had moved onto something else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newmarket Posted September 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 (edited) I was at the game . Bunked off school for it . As for the icyeff , know em been there done that not something im proud of at all and rarely talk about .South bank and then later West side . Cockney Rejects blah blah blah etc That brings me to my latest purchase . Some name transfers and piping to personalise my B4's . I'm tackle tarting on a budget Edited September 12, 2014 by newmarket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newmarket Posted September 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 South bank, yeah , charity shield, bunked off school for that Hereford game, A Thursday afternoon power strikes, whats this cockney rejects we have a big Irons supporters club in Northampton. Cockney rejects are a punk/thug rock band mate , take a look at this : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newmarket Posted September 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 That brings me to my latest purchase . Some name transfers and piping to personalise my B4's . I'm tackle tarting on a budget So many threads going off topic that im getting all me threads mixed up ffs .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bivvystreet Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 I like them, shame they were not born when we had something to boast about. like when west ham won the world cup ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newmarket Posted September 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 Yep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalthegooner Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 ...shame they were not born when we had something to boast about. Was music even invented then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newmarket Posted September 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 Now now Dal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newmarket Posted September 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 surrounded by ageing ICF, its a good job we don't know where you live. Official disclaimer; I would like it to be known that i am completely distancing myself from this quote and anything similar on the forum. It has and is nothing whatsoever to do with me . Tim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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