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Sorry fella but I wouldn't regard that as a particularly safe rig. The bore of the safety clip and even more especially the tail rubber would make it very likely to snag on the slightest of tangles (possibly a snap off during casting) or knotted piece of line (maybe wound round a small stick after being cut off on the lake bed). Personally I would much prefer to use a large eye swivel or runn ring in order to allow everything to "run" properly. The lead clip was designed simply to drop the lead and to do that it MUST be permanently fixed to the hook link swivel. I could not agree more, if only more people would realise this the carp would be better of.

Kieth I have used the same set up effectively,however I have noticed that it does not work everywhere. I have found the makeup of the bottom has a direct effect on how carp feed, this has a direct effect on how hooking rigs work,likewise the size of the fish has an effect as you already said. A good example is my brother who went to France on holiday. Whilst there he was shown the aggresive hair tied in floro, it worked brilliently,yet everywhere else he trys it it results in dropped runs. Your thoughts?

Strange that isn't it, I doubt that I have used a bloodknot for over 30 years in my general carp fishing. I started to discover stronger knots that were easier to tie back in the seventies and haven't used one since except for a brief spell when Terry invented the hinge rig. With the short length of bristle filament the blood knot was the only option but the thicknes and strength of the filament allowed it. Im the same not used it for a lot of years. When I started salmon fishing ithe twice through the eye blood was the first knot I tried,only to find the fly vanishing over the horizon every time I mistimed my cast and put the power on. Simple polomar knot and another knot I do not know the name of stoped the problem. I am a stickler for trying the breaking strain of all my gear from hooks,swivals,hook length,line etc etc. I want to know that everytime I hook a fish regardless of size and place I will land it,unless the hook pulls. And on that point I have had far less pulls since testing the strenth of the hooks frank

Funnily enough you could be wrong. I did a lot of tests with the palomar knot and even tied quickly (it's never going to be the neatest knot) I found that the hook link broke at the knotless knot more often than at the palomar. I agree with you totaly. I do tests on all my lines with different knots, to hooks and swivals and nearly everytime find the polamar the strongest,but it does look loose at times. Its a knot I use a lot of,apart from hook on which I use two different whiping knots.

Surely if you can bed a bloodknot down then you should be able to with the others,far easyer knots

Im very supprized Nick never noticed the slip,knowing him Cos I use a double granny knot tied with a special loop and pulled down tight dry JOKING! Not noticed much recently, as Frank knows had other things on my mind I nearly always use the Uni knot, mainline and braid or for loops the knot on the kryston packaging. For some stupid reason I can't get my head round the Palomar knot As they say when the cats away seriously I use the polamar as much as posible with some lines. However I always try different knots on each new batch of line.

Im very supprized Nick never noticed the slip,knowing him

It does not matter what knots you use,so long as you have the safety word. sorry wrong forum.

Good afternoon. I said I wished I fished the lakes you did. I have fished lakes where the fish self hook,but a lot more where they dont. Maybe its because a lot of my angling nowdays tends to be on huge gravel pits,I dont know? However If I am fishing for soft mouths I will happely fish running rigs especialy if not used for some timeon the water in question. If fishing hard mouths I always use bolt rigs and if need be I will play with the rigs/complicate them untill I get good pickups.

I agree with you moorsey on not needing anything on the line for running rigs,and that backleads etc only detract from the effectiveness of the setup. However I wished with my whole heart I fished the lakes you do,not needing to strike Most places I have fished with a running rig you do get some screemers,but on picking up unless very close nothing there. At range realy have to strike hard. A lot of anglers moved onto the fixed lead etc because it hooked fish for them without the need to strike, as they missed so many runs on running leads. I very well remember the bad old days of sitting for days on end for runs only to mis them on the strike. Changing to the hair rig did improve matters but not totaly,whilst the boltrig improved thing no end. Only my opinion mind.

I am very puzzled by this Three things to think about here,one is by inserting lead into the boilie you are in effect creating a poison bait,as already pointed out by iambun. The second is the fact that if you drill a hole that the very flimsy wire will slide into,it will just as easerly slid out. If the whole is tighter you qwill never get the wire in in the first place. The third is this,to insert enough lead wire into a 14mm standard off the shelf popup and create a balanced bait you need a lot of wire. The people doing this use thick lead solder wire and insert 2-3 pieces at a time So unless you are useing 500lb bs leadcore the wire would be useless .

i wouldnt even bother trying to tie that, to many swivels and beads. i think its one of those rigs to make you buy more tackle. If you could build in another ten swivels you probably wouldn't need any line at all. Problem solved. lol. Add even more swivals and you wouldnt need the hook either,carp could simply tangle themselfs up in swivals and rubber etc.

What actualy killed the fish?

I can tie them with out it, but I still prefer a Hook Tyer to get the loops right. I've seen John Wilson tie a size16 spade end behind his back I would like to see John tie up a 26 behind his back infact I would like to see him tie one without glasses

Im sorry but if I read you right you surmise that a "chod" fishes the bait off the ground? If this is your thought you are sadley wrong,the "chod" fishes the bait directly on the soft surface of silt,silk weed etc,whereas other rigs could pull the bait under the surface. Big fish rigs do not exist,the way you can fish might be big fish selective.

Both big in my book would it be more likely catch the bigger of the two tho? 50/50, unless............... Bigger fish tend to eat more, so the bigger, greedier fish would want to get to the bait 1st, so yes so nothing to do with the 360/big fish rig then Yes. The 360 is one of the most effective rigs out there. Big, older fish are often more wary, so a less effective rig may not catch either. Failing that, i surrender. You can have this one Bang on again, I couldnt agree more. Big fish are wary and the 360 is a very effective rig,so it sorts them out.

Yippe at long last someone whos tried the rig and uses his brain to engage his mouth,rather than let all the magazines brain washing rule his thoughts. I have used the rig for a fair while now and have not had a problem,I even used it one day on a comersial whilst teaching someone how to fish. Caught a large number of various sized carp,not one had fresh mouth dammage,but the hooks were scaled down.

& the idea was stolen from sea fishermen who have used it for hundreds of years Used by sea anglers yes but not stolen from them,as the same could be said for the hair rig

One of the methods of using the paternoster in the 60/70s that was the for runner to the so called chod was basicaly Nicks drawing reversed. The very short hook link was tied to a swival,this was threaded up the mainline,and a ring was tied to the mainline at its end,to this was attatched a length of weaker line tied to the lead,this was often quite a long length of line to fish the bait well away from the lead. This was done for two reasons,one is that we wanted to seperate the hook and lead by some distance as we were starting to think along the lines of fish ditecting electrical currents between the lead and hook etc. The second was the bait could not be dragged into the silt[nothing new you see]

That to me is the best answer so far,and if more people thought like that it would make my job on riggy waters far harder. Yes we all know that tackle catches anglers,however it also catches fish. You need to taylor your gear to where you fish,simple realy Frank, Just for you and how far I tailor my rigs to the lakebed. This is from the lake today. The straight (ish) line 90 degrees to the base of the pic is actually a reed stem. The lake was a bit murky, it is normally a brownish peaty hue, so this pic is not too clear, even if only taken from a metre away. The only thing that you can possibly make out is the red blob of a Hookbait. The Rig itself is toatlly camouflaged into the bottom. Correction I can actually make out the lead! You actualy got yourself out on the bank Nick I new this without seeing the photo,how?well I know you are one of the few thinking anglers out there. My point earlyer was I agreed with you on that at some point be prepaired to be different. This cannot be done if you dont have the equipment to be different. I know 100% if anybody fishes an unfished water with a standard hair rig setup,then they will truely reap the rewards. However if you try the same setup on a heaverly fished water with big carp,then you will fail the majority of the time. I fish some waters where the carp have seen everything,if you fish with any of the rigs you see in the mags/books/forums etc you will catch,but not regulary. If you sit back and think, then use materials and setups you know the carp have not seen before you will catch on a regular basis. In the past few years I have proved this time and time again.

That to me is the best answer so far,and if more people thought like that it would make my job on riggy waters far harder. Yes we all know that tackle catches anglers,however it also catches fish. You need to taylor your gear to where you fish,simple realy

Just out of interest as i'd never heard of it until now, how would you know if weils disease was prevalent? I just googled it and it doesn't sound pleasant! You don't! Also bear in mind that Weils disease can be spread by Rats, Squirrels, Foxes, Badgers and some other mammals as well. Obviously if Rats are present and a problem you are not going to be licking your line. Please do not forget humans. One of the worst outbreaks of weils in the world accured when a large number reported ill,it was found the only commen denominator was a swimming pool. The pool was checked for virmin ingress,none was found so blood test were conducted. One carrier was found to have urinated in the pool

I prefer mine quite short nowdays,my reasoning is if its to long my flat cap keeps falling off

I couldn't agree more,slack lines move the wheel on alarms easyer that tight lines. When im fishing slack lines I have my sensetivety turned right up other wise I would go mad with the constant bleeps.

Not only will the shape of the lead make a difference as Nick said,but the type of bottom. A 1oz pendent will give more resistence on a silty bottom than on a firm one You basicly need to work out for yourself what you need the lead to do, eg plug in the bottom,sit on the clay -gravel ,the range you wish to cast etc. It is something that you as an angler need to work out for yourself by a mixture of common sense and experience.