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Hi does this wet your appitite It was fished by someone on here in the late 70s and again in 86.

I have come to the same conclusion and have decided to give him this last opportunity to answer with a sensible response, before I start to ignore his jabber. Are we sure this is Jim? After all with his glory seeking you would think he would be proud to display his rig etc. Frank

Jim I am very confused:? YOU are the one who has been saying you need to use leadcore, others on here have said its not necessary. If you are referring to the so called chod rig, then again you are the one who says you need lead-core etc., I am the one who says no need, simply use line straight through and balance the popup by adding weight to the swivel on the hooklink. Please explain as you are now starting to do my head in. Frank

Quite right if you use your brain you will not get tangles. Casting correctly also helps a great deal. I will also say that on experiments I did two or so years ago every baited rig I cast to the far side of a pool [50metres] was not tangled on the bottom. However on retrieval 4 out of 11 were tangled. So do not assume you are getting tangled on the cast.

Hi Everyone. I must say that although I agree with a lot that has been said I must add the following. Not everyone will wish to use a running rig, lets face it there are a lot of different bolt style rigs used. But the regardless of rigs the rules can be the same. Most rigs used for carp fishing can be used without leaders or tubing. When and if a leader is needed think very carefully about what you use and stay well clear of lead-core. Frank

Most definitely not. There are thousands of fish every day caught on rigs with the lead eye or swivel running on the line without problem. The reason for using a large run-ring is to stop weed and detritus from jamming up the running arrangement.

I genuinely think the thicker the line the less likelihood there is of this happening and the fact a lot of anglers fish with heavy line nowadays helps. Keith I will be honest and say I never really gave that a thought but I doubt it. If it were the hooklink it would surely effect the smaller carp, as there would be more likelihood of a long hooklink reaching their sides. You have caught enough big carp to realize that a short/standard hooklink will not reach the flank. My theory is that the scales are larger on the bigger fish and there is more likelihood of the line slipping under them. You will no doubt recall that I stated I use leaders in the margins for free lining, since doing this I have not had a problem. This could be coincidence though because as I said it was not a common occurrence. However you will be pleased to know due to our discussions on leaders I have re-thought my rigs for this season, and I will no longer use leaders for this. I will try heavy fluro mainline instead. Frank

Hi I have to admit that I have lifted scales with mono. Not often but to say I haven’t would be a lie. Its been the bigger mirrors and for some strange reason often when hooked close to the bank/margin. Frank

Yes Keith and something I should have said in my post. And lets hope the angling trade takes notice of the photo's, and well done Simon for haveing the guts to publish. The more I see and read the more I realise about the inherent dangers of various bits and pieces of tackle commonly used by carp anglers and its about time it was shown up for what it is, a money spinner that ends the life of a carp.

As noknot said you do not need a leader for a chod to work. "Safezone leaders are expensive" they might be but there are leaders exactly the same for a fraction of the price, but why buy them if not needed, they certainly dont do what it says on the tin I know of leaders that are far softer, heavyer than leadcore etc, BUT I WILL NOT recomend them,because sooner or later I will have it on my conscience when someone missuses them and kills a fish.

Thanks Nick your a Gent.

Now I know why I joined the forum to learn Please Nick educate me on Superstiff'ening.

Some years ago Partridge bought out D rig hooks complete with ring and the hair whipped onto the shank, they even did them in green Didn't Carp-R-Us (on Nailers ?) and Big Fish Adventure also follow suit? I gave some of the Carp-R-Us ones that I got as samples somewhere to a mate who was having problems tying them. I also made up some myself using Whipping thread or cotton and a short length of Amnesia Quite right Nick, My memory's are failing me, I juast rememered the jade green hoooks

Some years ago Partridge bought out D rig hooks complete with ring and the hair whipped onto the shank, they even did them in green

You have confused me to a degree. Where did you read this? did you misread it? or was it misprinted. You see My understanding is Terry uses the chod with a popup if he suspects that the bottom is chod/silt. The hinged stifflink with popup on clean bottoms and a braid link for bottom baits,both of the latter two have the lead tied to the swival[no clip] I know Terry wrote an artical for Angling times? that confused a lot of readers as he was taling about how he tied up the short section for hinged rigs and chods,and how one developed from the other, a lot of people took it to mean he uses the hinged rig on the helicopter. Hope this might be of help

Jim I wish to ask some questions without offending you I know you use leadcore and also try to teach others how to use it safely,but what is your answer to the following. Leadcorwe kinks easerly. Leadcore has a tendency for the lead to poke through the side wall. Leadcore is abrasive. Leadcore easerly snags up in snags. Just interested

Ok then you lot Frank Warwick uses a similar rig but with 4-5+ baits on it,should tis be called a load of B rig?

Keith my genuine opinion is You have nothing to be sorry for. Anything you[or anyone else] can say that will stop people using leadcore has to be a good thing. Another point at least you have the guts to ban it on your fishery,lots don't. Frank

Nick as you know I often fish very low stock waters and in doing so every bite is very important. Because I live so far away from my target waters I need a head start. My watercraft often starts before I even get on the bank of a lake. I can honestly say that the last couple of lakes I have fished I have done so knowing the rigs would work from the off. I workout in my head the mechanics of each type of rig,I then match this up in my head to the type of carp/feeding, this again is worked out in my head from the type of lake I am intending to fish. Now sometimes a certain fish for one reason or another does not play ball,and you need to change things,but my last three targets have been met with a visit to the unhooking matt sooner rather than later I put this down to forward planning

I think you may have something there,original I trained as a engineer. So even though I have been out of the game for many years it is second nature to think about the mechanics of my rigs. Some people realy do stuggle to think this way and have to just copy others parrot fashion,and often at no determent to there particular fishing.

The boom section is there to keep the link away from the lead,exactly the sale as in a combi rig. The stiff hook link works as a great anti eject rig,but only with carp that suck and blow,a lot do not. If they are pickers than instead of the stiff link you are better off with a supple section. And as with all rigs the length depends on the way the fish are feeding. The chod in the right place cannot be beaten for hooking. Its just a SIMPLE case of working out how your target carp are feeding,and then using the right rig for the job. I will say without malice if you cannot work out the mechanics of a hinged stiff link you should maybe stick to straight forward knotless knotted coated braid or mono hooklinks.

Used to fish there many moons ago

Hi totaly unrelated to your post,but do you reside in borrowash?

I like that quote Yeah I can imagine Keith sitting there in the sun with his feet up, a glass of red wine and the New ATT V2 goes into vibrate mode, Mmmmmmm A hard life, but it has to be done I don't know whether I can put up with it for much longer. Keith life is truely hard is it not Frank. PS what air temps you got now?

Hi to make up a chod or silt rig tie up a rig like so. Then simply thread a bead onto your mainline,make sure it has a large hole,next thread on the rig as shown through the swival,then another bead with a tight hole, then tie a figure of eight loop in the mainline. Now if you are using floro line simply tie a lead to the loop, if using mono fasten a leader of choise eg 1 metre of floro or a smooth coated leader on,this leader must have a ring or swival tied to the end,then tie a lead with weak line to the ring. Slide the tight bead down the lot untill its 4-6 inches from the lead,you will find you need to lubricate the line and leader to get the bead into position,especialy over the knot. Slide the hooklink and other bead down the line,if this bead is restricted in anyway as it goes over the knot, change it for one with a bigger hole. Then re- tie the lead with pva to take the cast,and also tie a piece of pva tape 40-60cm above the top bead to stop the hook and bead traveling to far up the mainline on the cast. Use as light a lead as you can get away with, once cast out sink you line as usual then keep letting line out untill it is on the bottom from rod to lead. The lead will sink into the silt and the hooklink will slide up the line untill it is just sitting ontop of the silt. No matter which way the carp approaches the bait it will spin and on pickup so little resistence is felt as it is free running the carp simply cannot deal with it. In the right hands,on the right waters it is quite simply unbeatable. But it defenately is not for every water As for fishing the lake you mention, do the carp feed in the silt?if so fish in it with a soft reliable braided hook link and heavy lead. If the dont, then find the hardspots they have created, and fish on these if possible. If however you find the fish simply graze the surface of the silt, then the chod or silt rig will prove effective. PLEASE realise that the above version of the chod is perfectly safe, but it will not be found in the magazines, I also doubt will you find mention of fishing it compleatly slack. Hope this is of some help,if somewhat long winded.