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I just tested the https://www.alacarp.co.uk/a-la-carp-shop/Terminal-Tackle-c107009585 mesh in the margins of the lake, no residue, and a breakdown time of 2mins 20seconds when full of dry Vitalin in a squash ball sized lump.

Gardner tripod and Dinmores pole roller rest

Gardner tripod and Dinmores pole roller rest

Gardner tripod and Dinmores pole roller rest

A PVA bag, with everything in, hook, bait, rig and , then filled up with boilie crumb, breadcrumb and ground Vitalin.
I could have packed it a bit tighter, but it's only a 40metre cast, so that's plenty good enough.

Only bought Sunday....from the show.
https://www.carpking.co.uk/collections/pva/products/pva-bag-loader-kit
Try 1 out later 👍

The Alacarp PVA bags I use are melting fine. I know that I can't afford a miscast or I'm just reeling in a ball of sludge where I've licked and sticked.
 
Must confess I've not used the Gardner ones yet as I've got another 3 or 4 packs  from Dave, and I don't want to have to experiment with a different brand.

i love it when my daughter (13) comes with me on a day session as she is now an expert as filling my solid bags with goo and when bored has been known to add some to her maggots when she is pole fishing for silvers
i get her to make up the bags now and then she sits there squeezing away, like you say teenagers can be trained just takes time 🤣

i tie my bags seperately with a bit of PVA tape as although i have the loaders i could never get it right no matter how hard i tried, i find that they stay on fine for the cast and pierce them first so they sink with the hooklength. find it quite relaxing making a few up whilst having a brew and it also helps add a bit of variety around my bait as fish a small water and don't use a spomb or boat but thinking of trying to make a baiting pole this year as a shed project.
but do like solid bags i must admit

The grandson walked past my hook baits on the way to putting the kettle on and gave them a shake who said you can’t train a teenager …
 

I think duckduckgo is actually a better search engine, and have been making it my homepage for years.  I use Google Maps, but otherwise avoid the filthy company as much as possible. Only sign into YouTube when absolutely necessary, and I use Chrome even less often. Likewise Google's twin Satan Microsoft - I'm a Linux man.
 

I avoid Nash PVA bags after an incident years ago when a pack went through a 40⁰ wash in my combat trousers. The plastic bag they came in was full of water after the wash, the bags were still whole, when they should have been a bundle of mush. Never used them since.
 
I have got a Fox Rapid loader, and to be honest, it really only works with the specific bags from Fox, other brands don't seem to be the quite right size.
I've tried it with the bags from Dave at A la carp, and it's easier to open the bag, blow it totally open, then drop the rig inside.
In the pic earlier in the thread I'm using a Multi rig, but I do also use a short braided line aligner with a sliding rig as well, often with a (wait for it) Infusion Naturalz
 
 

I also now like to tie up my bags fresh, I now use the korda bags, I think they are great tbh, I like the little yellow scoop makes it a nice easy way to do a bag, once I am about half loaded I whack in a load of goo or other liquid then fill it up, tie it off with tape, I tried the easy loader licky licky type ones like fox but I think you get a better bag when tied up neatly, 

I do like the sound of this, using running rigs myself now 90% of the time....
May give this a whirl, just shorten my hooklength. 
 

Let's do a recap of my v quick overnighter, what was learnt 
Arriving at 10 30pm and setting up in the dark wasnt too bad, fished a swim I know like the back of my hand so all 3 rods were clipped up and sent out in the boat fine, got donks on all of them, so was confident they were fishing. 
I thought about using the best rigs for for the situation for boat work , also some pretty good potential uses of pva mesh to be a little different, but keeping it all simple and quick change is key, lots to think about now 🤔
Set up by midnight, asleep by 1ish awake at 5 30, couple of cuppas watching the lake started pack up at 8, Mcdonalds by 9 and home, 
next week I'll be on earlies so can do more investigative work in the daylight, before having to pack up in the dark at 4am 😬
But I've proved I can do the work overnighter yay, something to build on now, 
And modular stuff is brilliant when you need to be quick and organised highly recommend the Wychwood comforter rucksack and cool bag, 
Loads of positives, I was well aware I completely bypassed the main key factor though location, but that will come as I start rebuilding the bigger picture 
I'm pleased today anyway 😂

The search engine can be a right pig, you have to be specific, and even then...
For example 'follow the wind' as your search term, will bring up 7 answers on this thread and 4,400 other possible answers from Catch Reports, to Non Carp Banter.
I'm possibly lucky, (or not) that I can remember specific threads so can go back to it using the actual thread name. 
The other way is just to go back through the pages and pages of threads.
 
I wish it were that simple.
Carp are Carp, they respond in a similar manner, so in theory yes you have an average behaviour.
Then there is a BUT, the follow the wind happens in so many different ways. In some waters fish follow a North wind in summer,  in some it's a southerly, or the south westerly. 
You may have features that slow or stop the wind or water, gravel bars, islands, maybe snags are the natural fish holding spots.
It is not a new book, but the best explanation on the wind and pressure I have ever seen is in Big Water Carp by Jim Gibbinson if you can find a copy.
(Look on abebooks, you can pick up a bargain or two).
My best advice is to get onto the wind, and try it
I'm not sure on pressure and how it affects carp, whether they come up or down the water column, feed more or less. The lakebed is where the majority of food is, every fish needs to survive, so they eat. Fish can feed in groups, or individually. We probably notice group feeding more than individuals, so a single fish cleaning out a patch is possibly just a few bubbles, compared to a massive oily patch of coloured water as groups of fish feed.
It is where that food is, in the margins, or in the middle of the lake. Is there a gravel bar or plateau that holds food, either natural or anglers bait?
Is the middle of the lake too deep to hold much food?
Or is it shallow enough to be a bloodworm fest?

As Framey says, they are the ones that matter.
 
We can give you advice from our experience, but every water is likely to be different, angler pressure, lake shape, size etc, so our advice is right, but wrong, 
 
If they are crashing, they are showing, and glad you learnt something. 

Sadly nothing happened for me last night but at least I followed through with my plan that I have been saying for months that I’m going to do and just kept putting it off.
incase any of you haven’t been reading previous in this thread (I think it’s called thread correct me if I’m wrong) but I have been planning to leave all kit in the van until I have something to go on rather than just casting out where’s free with zero confidence. 
 
I will be doing this from now on it was such a buzz sitting there in the dark contemplating whether I’m wasting my time or not listening out for fish with no rods out and then bosh/splash/kadoosh whatever you like to call it. 
 
This time the shows were over deep water 15-16 foot I checked today. I should have had zigs all tied up ready before I even left home as I planned to or even should have tied some up on the bank and been more dedicated but tbh I was overwhelmed just to confirm a carp at all after many trips searching for hours on end for no reward.
I had a zig out today but I’m pretty sure the fish moved out at first light because I had a flurry of liners for about an hour then nothing for the rest of the day so I was too late with getting ziggy.
I said before I have no social media (I probably say this too much 🤣) I’m not one of them guys who walks into other peoples swims and disturbs there peace asking all questions and stuff so joining this chat room and having all you guys respond and give your opinions and knowledge has been amazing for me and I feel proper lucky to be on here.
thank you everyone honestly I’m blown away with how great everyone has been 
 

And those are the only fish that should matter at the time 
what’s happening on linear, linch hill or even redmire make no difference to where you are fishing 

I am shaking right now, so I sat it out without casting waiting listening and just where I had suspected/hoped they would be and they are here, right on the end of these recent warm winds and far as possible away from the recent angling pressure. 
Im shaking because I’m not actually fishing my all year syndicate I’m on my winter ticket at Holme fen fishery in Cambridge and an absolute cow has just smashed out right in front of my swim.😀Now to make a plan. 

Some fish can be resident in a particular area, almost pushing other fish away.
Big Scale at Waveney nearly always used to get caught from a particular spot on D/E lake. (Big Carp by Tom Paisley).
That one fish may also feed differently, or slightly off the baited spot, and can avoid capture by doing so.

On a hot summers day...
 
A husky water dog.

If anyone is interested 6x Coleman canisters on ebay at £28.45

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/325188216652

Layer Pits put a ban on spodding baits, must be around 2000. The response from all the carp anglers was balling in hemp mixed in Vitalin.
The spodded bait ban was lifted a season or two later, although not being a CAPS member I don't know current rules and conditions.
 
@framey
Thanks. 
I was on 'set times' for looking at the forum as I was fishing,  First thing in the morning and last thing at night.
@Danny Hearn if your bait and baiting is working, stick with it, but look for when results start to drop. At this point it may be time to adapt and come up with something different.
 
 

Danny fairbrass lol
spodding the granny out of it