Hi gaffa I understand exactly what your saying I make my own baits just to be different the size and shape is just to overcome the tench and bream so the carp can find them at least. I'm fishing a large park lake with it's own weather system lol (Seriously dont listen to the weatherman) it gets filled in with particles and alot of the guys are using the same bait company and having their baits rolled for them, I dont use no flavours etc I give mine a really good air dry so they're like rocks then rehydrate with a little lake water and special k from baf I know the carp are eating them I'm ashamed to say I'm yet to land one, the weed is at least 10 -11 feet In the spots I've found that no one seems to be fishing its mostly deeper and bait boats I've been using a fishspy to find feed and check spots which are looking like a polished table if I'm honest fingers crossed I'm off tomorrow new reel loaded with new braid for the one rod the other my usual gr line both drop off system.