Thanks for comments. Just what I was looking for. In reply :-
“you were very surprised but the result of this experiment but I think the result was exactly what you and I expected”
I was expecting some separation between the denser salt and the water but I was astonished that the salt remained so concentrated in such a very thin layer on the bottom of the tank.
“To replicate those volumes in a water body of any significance would take many thousands of tonnes of salt at a guess.”
I used about 10 ml of rock salt and it covered about 0.1 square metres. That equates to 100 ml per sqr metre. A 5 acre lake is roughly 4000 square metres so it would need 400 litres of salt to entirely cover it under the same conditions. That is not a huge amount. Roughly 1000 kilo. Ok this is under laboratory conditions and there are many variables in real life. I suspect the salt solution would roll down hill and fill up hollows and low spots. I have no idea how long it would take to diffuse through the water column. I feel another experiment coming on.
“If we imagined that the salt did stay in a concentrated area when introduced to a large body of water it could certainly go some way to explaining why "salting a spot" can be so effective, particularly on rich, weedy waters. It'd clear the spot nicely ready for perfect presentation.”
Yes, that is precisely my point. You create a mini desert in that area. I believe that, when salt is initially introduced, it kills off the microorganisms and the carp move in for a free lunch. However it leaves behind an inert bed. Is that what we really want to do?
“I think the statement that still waters have no natural mechanism by which salt can be removed is misleading. Salt is water soluble and the water in lakes is constantly recycled through natural water cycles (rain vs. dispersal through groundwater). In the concentrations used for carp fishing this has a negligible effect (imo) on a water body.”
This is a relevant point and I have no understanding of how salt may disperse through groundwater. I would suggest that even if it does, it has already done its damage to the lake bed.
“ anglers rarely use a saturated solutions (did I see undissolved salt in the glass before it was added to the pva bag?) “
Yes I just put in a tablespoon of salt into a glass. But surely if people are putting a salt lick into a swim the initial solution in direct contact with the salt is saturated so the demo is not that representative
“for me, it's a moot point however, as I for one don't use salt in my carping,”
I think that is the attitude everyone should adopt.
“It's more a case of them needing it than liking it. It's a mineral that is very difficult for them to obtain in a freshwater environment and carp need it to function.”
I am not sure I agree. Is there any evidence for this? Carp seem to have evolved for thousands of years without the need of extra salt added artificially. I have never come across a case of carp suffering from a lack of salt. But I could be completely wrong.
“I agree with you that anglers should be aware of possible dangers but imo that "oh well" decision couldn't possibly result in the hundreds of tonnes of salt it would take to even match the salinity levels preferred of their tanks by koi keepers.”
I have been trying to demonstrate that it is NOT the levels of salt that the Koi experts find acceptable that is the danger. It is the much smaller amounts that endanger microorganism growth.