DIY Petfood Boilies Advise Please

[Barney2]

Nothing binds like eggs, I tried loads of fish in a mix before and it ends up too soft. I don’t want high liquid content I don’t like soft baits and don’t want to start messing around with endless powdered hardeners

besides I think eggs are underrated

we are somewhat partial to them and so are the carp they’re magical food

Im not making bulk here I’m making a useful tub of base feed/tough hookbaits which complements my other old favourite trickery such as pimped up ABS, DT frozen etc plus some top secret tiger nuts which took me years of trial and error to get right

(they are both soft and highly shelf life and I use no preservatives in there whatsoever)

 

It’s very easy (well not actually) to create a faffy and expensive glorified slowish breakdown roach groundbait..

I don’t want to feed the roach and that’s why I don’t like soft boilies

Edited Monday at 12:16 by Barney2

[elmoputney]

1 hour ago, Barney2 said:

It’s very easy (well not actually) to create a faffy and expensive glorified slowish breakdown roach groundbait..

I don’t want to feed the roach and that’s why I don’t like soft boilies

Depends on your water though, I've found that feeding rudd can also make the carp feed with gusto, they stay the party as it where. 

[salokcinnodrog]

17 minutes ago, elmoputney said:

Depends on your water though, I've found that feeding rudd can also make the carp feed with gusto, they stay the party as it where. 

Get the small rudd feeding on my water, the tench move in, often followed by the carp. 

It's why I frequently put in a bucket of mashed bread and birdfood. The small seeds and bread keep the rudd amused, boilies pick up tench and carp. 

[Barney2]

Nah that roach activity old chestnut doesn’t work on some tough lakes

better some places just chance your luck to have intact hookbaits waiting for a long time in the right places

the right amount of roach (thousands) will muller everything soft and bitty you give them, and I don’t want to lug their banquet around!

[Barney2]

I ditched it in the end

mix really annoying texture, hard to form, roll and bind despite being very well blitzed with over 20% semolina and 10% albumen.. pet biscuits are strange formulations, never mind

I got tired of making bait and never got on great with it despite being a highly confident experienced cook

So I just bought some really nice frozen boilie paste instead which I will custom roll how I want it

[elmoputney]

57 minutes ago, Barney2 said:

I ditched it in the end

mix really annoying texture, hard to form, roll and bind despite being very well blitzed with over 20% semolina and 10% albumen.. pet biscuits are strange formulations, never mind

I got tired of making bait and never got on great with it despite being a highly confident experienced cook

So I just bought some really nice frozen boilie paste instead which I will custom roll how I want it

That's a shame was looking forward to seeing you catch loads of fish on your new mix. 

[B B]

22 hours ago, salokcinnodrog said:

Get the small rudd feeding on my water, the tench move in, often followed by the carp

We used the same technique on the Carp society’s horseshoe lake when after the big tench,  then the carp would take over. 
 

Elmo would have been in his element catching them big Rudd  🤔

[elmoputney]

22 minutes ago, B B said:

We used the same technique on the Carp society’s horseshoe lake when after the big tench,  then the carp would take over. 
 

Elmo would have been in his element catching them big Rudd  🤔

I am hoping they do another rudd match at the syndicate this year, loved it last time, and we got to stock them in their new home, The pest pond 😂

[Barney2]

I just didn’t like the texture Elmo mate, I don’t have much time for fishing and got proven, tested paste from a successful firm instead

bit of a shame but never mind, I will ditch the dig biscuits and try something else but sometimes it makes sense to trust the experts

[Barney2]

Dog.. lol damn iPhone spellcheck 

[salokcinnodrog]

4 hours ago, elmoputney said:

I am hoping they do another rudd match at the syndicate this year, loved it last time, and we got to stock them in their new home, The pest pond 😂

Is that Earith?

The shoals of rudd on there I used to see. I ended with a couple over 2lb.

[elmoputney]

7 minutes ago, Barney2 said:

I just didn’t like the texture Elmo mate, I don’t have much time for fishing and got proven, tested paste from a successful firm instead

bit of a shame but never mind, I will ditch the dig biscuits and try something else but sometimes it makes sense to trust the experts

Would it have worked better if you used less dog biscuit crumb and more of something else do you think ? 

[elmoputney]

14 minutes ago, salokcinnodrog said:

Is that Earith?

The shoals of rudd on there I used to see. I ended with a couple over 2lb.

That was 4 hours worth that my daughter caught, nothing that big yet but we were just bashing them out on the whip, might get the match rod out this year and try further out  for some bigger ones, I do quite enjoy watching a float sometimes. 

[Barney2]

Trouble with DIY is it’s easy to make something rubbish, heavy and unsuitable for carp

That conscientiousness tended to spoil my bait making adventures

But I wish the multi million industry would use higher quality ingredients such as non factory eggs and organic non GM etc

I was very shocked to find out a “highly regarded” big name old school ingredient supplier uses GM ingredients in their mixes

we are talking BIG name who supplies EVERYONE

[salokcinnodrog]

11 hours ago, elmoputney said:

Would it have worked better if you used less dog biscuit crumb and more of something else do you think ? 

Thing is different dry dog foods, different protein quantities and obviously ingredients. I will only use dog food crumb in groundbait.

 

9 hours ago, Barney2 said:

But I wish the multi million industry would use higher quality ingredients such as non factory eggs and organic non GM etc

I was very shocked to find out a “highly regarded” big name old school ingredient supplier uses GM ingredients in their mixes

we are talking BIG name who supplies EVERYONE

By law, every bait containing GM ingredients has to declare it.

The threshold is if the ingredient is 0.9% or less of the bait. This to do with animal food legislation which bait is now classified under.

I know Dynamite Baits have made this a headline within the bait industry.

[Barney2]

I also got tired of blitzing pet biscuits in my beautiful Ninja processor

they are hard work once you reach a certain stage they mound up and the powerful blades are quickly spinning dry

I will if anything be using flours and meals already done in future

but it feels a bit pointless there are so many excellent pastes out there to try which are already scientifically and/or artfully designed for catching carp plus TESTED like mad

 

 

[elmoputney]

25 minutes ago, Barney2 said:

I also got tired of blitzing pet biscuits in my beautiful Ninja processor

they are hard work once you reach a certain stage they mound up and the powerful blades are quickly spinning dry

I will if anything be using flours and meals already done in future

but it feels a bit pointless there are so many excellent pastes out there to try which are already scientifically and/or artfully designed for catching carp plus TESTED like mad

 

 

What about buying a pellet powder so you don't have the faff? 

[Barney2]

Might do mate but if I do it will be super duper koi food, not just coarse pellet powder

I might look into some deeper advice about ground dog food of very high quality, get somebody to grind for me or use something else like insect meal

I do use some coarse pellets (Dynamite) - they are coated by them and have lashings of glug as well by me - but I don't really trust the cheap price of common coarse pellets - maybe I'm a bit of a bait snob lol

Mind you the pellets get the swim buzzing so who am I to argue with their effectiveness - I wish somebody made organic coarse pellets available for us to use for fishing-

organic fish-farm food is only available for trade in massive bulk or from abroad

 

Maybe I should try it but I was thinking about a cereal bait flavoured with hydrolysates

simply (all organic) semolina, quinoa flakes, wheatgerm, millet or rye flakes etc.

I would only feed it in very small quantities as it would be dense, heavy and filling

I also like the idea of a four or so equal part mix so I don't have endless little bags everywhere of randomn amounts of product getting old in cupboards

old flavours are another kettle of worms, I see people selling ancient flavours on ebay and feel its illegal or certainly should be!

[elmoputney]

1 hour ago, Barney2 said:

Maybe I should try it but I was thinking about a cereal bait flavoured with hydrolysates

simply (all organic) semolina, quinoa flakes, wheatgerm, millet or rye flakes etc.

I would only feed it in very small quantities as it would be dense, heavy and filling

I also like the idea of a four or so equal part mix so I don't have endless little bags everywhere of randomn amounts of product getting old in cupboards

old flavours are another kettle of worms, I see people selling ancient flavours on ebay and feel its illegal or certainly should be!

You can get some different types of pellet powder off the shelf, trout, halibut, bloodworm, carp, etc personally I think if the point is to use hydrolysates I would use a lower oil content powder as that would absorb more of the good stuff. 

You could always just glug pellets in hydro though they can take a lot of liquid on board. That's what I do quite often. 

[nutty squid]

In the early 90's, I used boilies made of mostly ground go-cat.They air dried rock hard, and were also hard to hair rig. I caught a few

carp and tench on them, but shelf lifes got the better of me. Now I still sometimes use powdered cat biscuits, but at no more than 25%

of a base mix. I only fish short sessions, so a softer bait suits me.

 

[Barney2]

freezer baits are easy to preserve mate just dry and salt them - fair enough there are restrictions on amounts, drying space and time to do it,  freezer space, (wives and revolting boilie smells etc) -

I just dry boilies spread out on an old bait towel in my living room in half kilos but I'm on my own and have a box freezer which does me perfectly for me and my bait about two thirds full at any time

I'm not a big fan of shelf life they seem a bit sort of plasticcy and sterile to me

 

[nutty squid]

I no longer use shelfies, a look at the ingredients tends to put me off. I've been making my own for a few years now. I got lucky with a spice blend, that suits both fishmeals and bird food baits. I have noticed a reduction in flavours for cat/ dog biscuits lately. I used Aldi chicken and liver in a mix for barbel, but 100 mile round trip to unfishable small river put paid to that. Must haves imo are milk powder, yeast and seaweed/ spirulina.

[hutch]

22 hours ago, Barney2 said:

simply (all organic) semolina, quinoa flakes, wheatgerm, millet or rye flakes etc.

Im interested in what you think your providing Mr Carp nutritionally with something like the above, part of making your own for me is not always about cost but providing a good nutritional bait that can be utlised by the fish,  the above is very carb heavy and seeing as Mr Carp has limited ability biologically to break down or utilise carbs to any great effect unless i have missed something

[Barney2]

Its not going to be the best carp nutition, although quinoa is very high in protein

I did say I was maybe using it very sparingly indeed mate - like a third of a kilo over 72-96 hours sparingly

If I use it which is a doubt

I don't know much about carp nutrition mate, but do know that a lot of pritein in baits is wasted on them and posh HP baits are too rich and overrated (no I don't mean brown sauce : )

[hutch]

2 minutes ago, Barney2 said:

 

I don't know much about carp nutrition mate, but do know that a lot of pritein in baits is wasted on them and posh HP baits are too rich and overrated

Your right to a degree, some baits are probably to high in protien, although there isnt massive amounts of information out there regarding carp and protein utilisation its more widely known tha the magic number is around 38% protein in a bait/mix other ings are more functional eg.. binding, texture etc.., the dark rabbit hole is the conception that because an ingredient is high in protien that protien's AA make up may well not be suitable for a bait.