Pigeon conditioner

[salokcinnodrog]

16 hours ago, mrmud said:

If I'm honest I thought I was clever buying other stuff than what got recommended as it had more seeds but there's these red pellets in there that burn to the pan and is tainting the seed with a burnt tinge so I need to get something else.

I will probably eventually try something with aniseed to compare the difference on I actually start catching.

Not sure if I've been fishing or camping lately lol

If you get some bird foods they have suet or fat pellets in them, and they definitely become a sticky congealed mess if you boil them up.

I've been camping, swearing at swans and pike...

 

[mrmud]

On 04/07/2024 at 09:03, kevtaylor said:

Makes sense about the pellets.

Not a bait expert but I know my particle mix came from Hinders, I did think it was good at that time.  I've bought prepared from Kent Particles which were OK and my mate recently bought his Tigers etc from Blakes Baits.

Pellets we get from British Aqua Feeds (BAF)

 

On 04/07/2024 at 10:09, jh92 said:

If you do go for one with aniseed in, I recommend bucktons pigeon conditioner, smells lovely when prepped 🤙

 

I'm going to give the codpock mill stuff a whirl that @salokcinnodrog & @elmoputney recommended.

Thanks for the recommendation I will try the bucktons when I've actually managed to boil some particles and not burn them 😔.

Will check out blakes for the tigers, just need to find a decent price on hemp.

 

On 04/07/2024 at 10:20, salokcinnodrog said:

If you get some bird foods they have suet or fat pellets in them, and they definitely become a sticky congealed mess if you boil them up.

I've been camping, swearing at swans and pike...

 

The swans have cleared off from where I'm fishing. I fed him plenty of dog biscuits in the end n he'd get full n go away for abit 🤷🏽‍♂️, the pike aint gone nowhere though.

Atleast it's camping with a view lol. Most campers just look at a field of tents.

[salokcinnodrog]

5 hours ago, mrmud said:

I'm going to give the codpock mill stuff a whirl that @salokcinnodrog & @elmoputney recommended.

Thanks for the recommendation I will try the bucktons when I've actually managed to boil some particles and not burn them 😔.

Will check out blakes for the tigers, just need to find a decent price on hemp.

Gladwells hemp is around £38.99, although recently it has had a few twigs in there. I don't think any hemp is as good as it was a few years ago.

 

I do my particles in a big pan on the cooker. Bring to the boil and then turn down to as low as it will go for around 15minutes.

I often add extra water before I boil it so no chance of it boiling dry

 

 

[mrmud]

Should I have boiled the conditioner in fresh water or was it okay to boil it in the same water I soaked it in.

Asking as the water don't look the best of colours after boiling

Edited September 12 by mrmud

[jh92]

14 minutes ago, mrmud said:

Should I have boiled the conditioner in fresh water or was it okay to boil it in the same water I soaked it in.

Asking as the water don't look the best of colours after boiling

I use the same water it's soaked in mate 👍the color afterwards is all the juices/oils etc, when I prep my particle to freeze I drain all the particles and put the liquid in a bottle to freeze as well, then when defrosting ill add it back 👍 

 

[elmoputney]

19 minutes ago, mrmud said:

Should I have boiled the conditioner in fresh water or was it okay to boil it in the same water I soaked it in.

Asking as the water don't look the best of colours after boiling

That's the added goodness, will be fine. 

[framey]

Freeze it for future use 👍💪

[mrmud]

Thanks everyone.

Am I better keeping it all with a covering of juice whilst it's in the bucket or leave it with no juice(does it keep better)

Would rather ask on here as there's so much conflicting info on the twinternet.

For example hinders say to add salt to the soaking process but I've thought salt causes issues with splitting 🤷🏽‍♂️

I've kept the juice from the hemp, tigers, conditioner and I've soaked the cut maize in the water I boiled the maize in

Edited September 12 by mrmud

[framey]

Salt can cause issues with hemp splitting 

I have kept it with and without water 

 

Edited September 12 by framey

[salokcinnodrog]

22 minutes ago, framey said:

Salt can cause issues with hemp splitting 

I have kept it with and without water 

 

 

47 minutes ago, mrmud said:

Thanks everyone.

Am I better keeping it all with a covering of juice whilst it's in the bucket or leave it with no juice(does it keep better)

Would rather ask on here as there's so much conflicting info on the twinternet.

For example hinders say to add salt to the soaking process but I've thought salt causes issues with splitting 🤷🏽‍♂️

I've kept the juice from the hemp, tigers, conditioner and I've soaked the cut maize in the water I boiled the maize in

Salt can definitely stop hemp splitting, so if you do add salt, put it in the bucket before you pour your freshly boiled hemp back into it.

I prep up hemp and pigeon conditioner for 4/5 day sessions; the first 2 days buckets have no extra water, the last 2 I leave extra water in.

If hemp dries out it will float, so the water prevents that.

[elmoputney]

I like to leave some liquid in my particles, I find they keep better wet. I also tend to add molasses after cooking too. Then they start to ferment after a little while. 

[mrmud]

32 minutes ago, salokcinnodrog said:

the first 2 days buckets have no extra water, the last 2 I leave extra water in.

Only going for the weekend 

17 minutes ago, elmoputney said:

I also tend to add molasses after cooking too.

Been meaning to buy some but keep buying other bits. Could spend money on fishing all day, everyday but unfortunately the pennies keep running out lol. Closest I've got to that is the goat feed that the misses uses for groundbait

[framey]

If it’s the aniseed version I can’t see the point in adding molasses to it personally 

if it is plain then Yes but each to their own 

you could also just mix some marmite with hot water and get that yeasty effect

never neglect the cupboards at home for alternative liquids or powders

[elmoputney]

13 hours ago, framey said:

If it’s the aniseed version I can’t see the point in adding molasses to it personally 

if it is plain then Yes but each to their own 

you could also just mix some marmite with hot water and get that yeasty effect

never neglect the cupboards at home for alternative liquids or powders

I add Mollasses to my particles because I get decent results from it. If it ain't broke and all that. Plus 5l of marmite would cost a hell of a lot more 😂

Also I don't use the aniseed mix, I don't think this one is either as its the  same one I use. 

[jh92]

I like adding tinned milk like condensed milk and evaporated milk. 

The juices from cooked hemp create a nice flat spot too 👍

[framey]

4 hours ago, elmoputney said:

I add Mollasses to my particles because I get decent results from it. If it ain't broke and all that. Plus 5l of marmite would cost a hell of a lot more 😂

Also I don't use the aniseed mix, I don't think this one is either as its the  same one I use. 

Like I said don’t neglect the store cupboard lol

Would only need a teaspoon or 2 

5l would last a lifetime 

 

If you are not using the aniseed version then yes no problems adding something to it of course.

( try butyric acid… )

At the end of the day you are happy using it then that is all that matters 👍

Edited September 13 by framey

[framey]

2 hours ago, jh92 said:

I like adding tinned milk like condensed milk and evaporated milk. 

The juices from cooked hemp create a nice flat spot too 👍

I used to add them to groats.

even naked groats adds a nice subtle milk into the water 

[elmoputney]

45 minutes ago, framey said:

Like I said don’t neglect the store cupboard lol

Would only need a teaspoon or 2 

5l would last a lifetime 

 

If you are not using the aniseed version then yes no problems adding something to it of course.

( try butyric acid… )

At the end of the day you are happy using it then that is all that matters 👍

It doesn't hurt adding mollasses to the aniseed version either btw, it's a good liquid to add as you can add it in abundance to anything I mainly only add it to particles though.it isn't expensive you can get 5l for about 10 quid, I'm not sure why more people don't use it really,bit of a no brainer to me. 

[elmoputney]

2 hours ago, jh92 said:

I like adding tinned milk like condensed milk and evaporated milk. 

The juices from cooked hemp create a nice flat spot too 👍

I like to add tinned milk in my flaked maize, I also add some mollasses to that too makes a nice coffee coloured thick cloud 😎

[salokcinnodrog]

3 hours ago, elmoputney said:

I'm not sure why more people don't use it really,bit of a no brainer to me

Possibly because it also has a reputation as a bream attractor. 

Saying that, I don't think it is the molasses in itself that attracts bream, but how bream feed, hoovering up big beds of bait, totally cleaning an area.

 

[framey]

3 hours ago, elmoputney said:

It doesn't hurt adding mollasses to the aniseed version either btw, it's a good liquid to add as you can add it in abundance to anything I mainly only add it to particles though.it isn't expensive you can get 5l for about 10 quid, I'm not sure why more people don't use it really,bit of a no brainer to me. 

Me, I like the aniseed and don’t see any need to alter it. again, it’s just confidence. possibly, maybe, it’s because my all time favourite boilie flavour is bun spice from SBS from the 90’s.

I like the “spicy” elements in my mixes rather than sweet.

[elmoputney]

15 hours ago, salokcinnodrog said:

Possibly because it also has a reputation as a bream attractor. 

Saying that, I don't think it is the molasses in itself that attracts bream, but how bream feed, hoovering up big beds of bait, totally cleaning an area.

 

Never caught a bream on boilies then? 

Bream, like carp will eat what is easiest to find and what they want to feed on. 

14 hours ago, framey said:

Me, I like the aniseed and don’t see any need to alter it. again, it’s just confidence. possibly, maybe, it’s because my all time favourite boilie flavour is bun spice from SBS from the 90’s.

I like the “spicy” elements in my mixes rather than sweet.

For me it's not about the flavour, it's about the vitamins and minerals that molasses contains. I also think liquid liver is a great liquid, but I don't want to guzzle it myself. 

Also if you want to make molasses spicy raid your store cupboard. Plenty of powders you could add, chilli, cumin, paprika,turmeric, fenugreek, garlic, Chinese 5 spice, 

 

Mollasses guzzling common  ⬇️

[salokcinnodrog]

2 hours ago, elmoputney said:

Never caught a bream on boilies then? 

Bream, like carp will eat what is easiest to find and what they want to feed on. 

Yes, but more when I've put a carpet of bait out, very few on just stringers, bags or individual baits.

Add to that, put out boilies with a throwing stick, you don't tend to create enough attraction for them to feed on the spot, the distance between each bait is not always enough to hold them. Put those same baits in with a Spomb and it can be as the baits tend to be closer together.

On Alton Water, if you avoided bream patrol routes, you could put out big beds of groundbait and catch only carp. The closed ends of bays weren't areas they were comfortable going in to, whether it was too close to the bank or too shallow I'm not sure, but I've caught very few bream at ranges less than 5 rod lengths from the bank, yet carp come in very close.

Put very little bait in and they don't usually feed on the spot, there isn't enough to hold them to feed, unless you happen to bait up over a natural food area, like a bloodworm bed. 

 

2 hours ago, elmoputney said:

Also if you want to make molasses spicy raid your store cupboard. Plenty of powders you could add, chilli, cumin, paprika,turmeric, fenugreek, garlic, Chinese 5 spice, 

Chilli flakes and crushed chilli sauce also have an advantage in that swans are often reluctant to feed on spicy particles and groundbait.

 

On 12/09/2024 at 18:46, mrmud said:

Closest I've got to that is the goat feed that the misses uses for groundbait

When you are in the animal feed suppliers, have a wander around, if they supply horse feed molasses are usually in a 5litre container.

[framey]

On 14/09/2024 at 08:32, elmoputney said:

Never caught a bream on boilies then? 

Bream, like carp will eat what is easiest to find and what they want to feed on. 

For me it's not about the flavour, it's about the vitamins and minerals that molasses contains. I also think liquid liver is a great liquid, but I don't want to guzzle it myself. 

Also if you want to make molasses spicy raid your store cupboard. Plenty of powders you could add, chilli, cumin, paprika,turmeric, fenugreek, garlic, Chinese 5 spice, 

 

 

I have all the above powders but I use them if I’m rolling baits. 👍
 

I don’t think you can say the molasses caught that fish unless the bait you had  on the hook contained it.

now, whether the molasses being in the vicinity helped or not that is another question..

again 

it all boils down to confidence in what you are doing.

and you, now, seem to have plenty of confidence so keep on doing it your way 

Edited September 15 by framey

[mrmud]

I used the mix I made up but not a single bite on the 2 rods I was using for particles. All my fish came from a 12mm nut pop-up away from the particles.

I was on a low stock lake and there was some of things which didn't help like guests letting they're dogs swim in the lake and some numpty trying to skim stones.

On 14/09/2024 at 09:43, salokcinnodrog said:

When you are in the animal feed suppliers, have a wander around, if they supply horse feed molasses are usually in a 5litre container.

Don't have the liquid stuff but it's in the goat mix I've used a few times and TBF I've had some amazing takes on it.

On 14/09/2024 at 08:32, elmoputney said:

Also if you want to make molasses spicy raid your store cupboard. Plenty of powders you could add, chilli, cumin, paprika,turmeric, fenugreek, garlic, Chinese 5 spice,

I've experimented with chilli and garlic and watched them go mad for the garlic on one venue local to me but after trying it on a few other waters I gave up trying. Seem to push the fish away(maybe over done it 🤷🏽‍♂️)