Carpmaster Posted September 13, 2020 Report Share Posted September 13, 2020 The lake I’m fishing has this light silt like sandy clay soft mud what I’ve noticed with the fishspy is it’s that soft that even a 1 1/2 oz lead buries and if you pull back slightly it furrows like a ploughed field the hard spots are rocks of varing sizes would the old spoon leads be of use I’m wondering does anyone know if they’re still available besides making them myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonny Posted September 14, 2020 Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 Imo silt is the most forgiving substrate you can get. You can chuck most rigs in it and you'll be fine. You should avoid the rocks imo, there is no natural food there (unless there are crays about). Get a rig on/in the silt buddy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoputney Posted September 14, 2020 Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 I tend to work on smell with silt if your lead and bait come in stinking it's probably not the one, I seem to recall Rob Hughes on an underwater vid saying that silt always looks lighter and sandy when you are in the water, so it may be just the fishspy sees it like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carpmaster Posted September 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 I have been fishing in the silt I have been wondering if it’s that obvious to me where the lead is how obvious is it to the carp yonny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carpmaster Posted September 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 This place I’m fishing is like no other water I’ve fished. Usual carp behaviour is out the window on this place you may glimps a fin or a bubbler if your looking they don’t really follow the wind and if they do they don’t stay on it,there are fish here that have never come out since they were stocked it’s like a whole new learning curve lol that’s without nothing coming out an it still being filled in with bait boats yonny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonny Posted September 14, 2020 Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 On 13/09/2020 at 09:59, Carpmaster said: if you pull back slightly it furrows like a ploughed field 43 minutes ago, Carpmaster said: if it’s that obvious to me where the lead is how obvious is it to the carp Stop pulling back mate. The lead will be invisible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carpmaster Posted September 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 That’s just it it’s not invisible it’s a crater so blatant and visible it’s unreal and these fish ain’t stupid this place as I’ve said is not like any water I’ve fished before the carp rule book don’t exist on this place lol what you think they’re supposed to do -do the opposite lol and your not far wrong lol yonny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonny Posted September 14, 2020 Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 It sounds like a challenge mate and ultimately that's what we're after as carp anglers. Carp are wild creatures and for every water where they behave how we think they should there is another that goes against the grain. I personally prefer those types of waters as they test our skills and our resilience. It is waters such as this that reward those that try the hardest. The carp will tell you exactly how to catch them if you look hard enough mate. There is always a ***** in there armour somewhere. elmoputney 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonny Posted September 14, 2020 Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 Lol, the swear filter thought I was being racist 😂 finchey, elmoputney, dayvid and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carpmaster Posted September 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 I’m exactly the same as you yonny that’s why I’m fishing this place I love a challenge I’m up there tomorrow for the day see if I can put another piece of the puzzle in place I’ve been privalaged to see a few pics of some of the fish and there are some crackers in there I’ve also been talking to a few and one fella has been fishing this place 5yrs regular and has his first carp a few weeks ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoputney Posted September 14, 2020 Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Carpmaster said: That’s just it it’s not invisible it’s a crater so blatant and visible it’s unreal and these fish ain’t stupid this place as I’ve said is not like any water I’ve fished before the carp rule book don’t exist on this place lol what you think they’re supposed to do -do the opposite lol and your not far wrong lol Use a dumpy distance lead on a helicopter set up, use a chod bead and set it a bit higher up the line/leader so just the rig settles on the top of the silt but the lead gets plugged right in and just use a longish wafter rig with a mesh bag to slow it and that would work a treat I think, 👍🤔😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carpmaster Posted September 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 Your going to laugh at me now lol I don’t use a helicopter set up or chose rig as every man and his dog is using them I try to not be a sheep lol ive been thinking of the old spoon leads if they’re still available Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoputney Posted September 14, 2020 Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 20 minutes ago, Carpmaster said: Your going to laugh at me now lol I don’t use a helicopter set up or chose rig as every man and his dog is using them I try to not be a sheep lol ive been thinking of the old spoon leads if they’re still available I was just offering you some advice on what I think might work I will go back to my pen 🐑 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carpmaster Posted September 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 I wasn’t being funny Elmo it is a good suggestion it’s just me I try not to follow everyone else and the chod rig is used to death up this place because of the weed I’m just trying to be different to everyone else elmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoputney Posted September 14, 2020 Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 Just now, Carpmaster said: I wasn’t being funny Elmo it is a good suggestion it’s just me I try not to follow everyone else and the chod rig is used to death up this place because of the weed I’m just trying to be different to everyone else elmo I didn't suggest a chod rig though, I don't use them either or helicopters usually but there are some situations where they will work better than other set ups, this being one maybe, and I bet most people will also be using pop ups hence me suggesting a longish wafter rig on a helicopter 🚁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carpmaster Posted September 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 Good suggestions Elmo and something I have thought about elmoputney 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoputney Posted September 14, 2020 Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 What have people told you, you won't catch them on or methods people say don't work ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carpmaster Posted September 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 I’ve been told all sorts but don’t listen to anyone I always go my own road I’m just trying to be different to everyone and the usual methods that’s why I was thinking of spoon leads as I can’t see them burying because of the shape Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carpmaster Posted September 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 I’ve even thought of the method feeder but have stayed away because of the bream Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoputney Posted September 14, 2020 Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Carpmaster said: I’ve been told all sorts but don’t listen to anyone I always go my own road I’m just trying to be different to everyone and the usual methods that’s why I was thinking of spoon leads as I can’t see them burying because of the shape I tend to do my own thing but information is worth hearing even if you just discount it afterwards, or just to do the opposite, personally I wouldn't worry about the lead burying, out of sight out of mind, also I bet the craters fill back in eventually as the undertow pushes the silt abiut it will settle in the hole until its level again 5 minutes ago, Carpmaster said: I’ve even thought of the method feeder but have stayed away because of the bream Its worth a try they catch carp too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carpmaster Posted September 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 Thanks for the input Elmo I’ll keep you up to date on how things progress Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Springate's Guns Posted September 16, 2020 Report Share Posted September 16, 2020 (edited) For fishing in soft silt I still use a lead clip but use an uncoated, soft braided hooklink. I almost always attach a pva bag of crushed boilie-adds attraction, prevents tangles and slows down hookbait decent into the silt. Never pull back! Edited September 16, 2020 by Pete Springate's Guns elmoputney 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carpmaster Posted September 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2020 I’m already doing what you’ve said no boilie crumb I use dog biscuits the reason I’ve been pulling back is because if it ain’t bang on it’s no good either in rocks very dense weed or just buried in a weedbed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Springate's Guns Posted September 16, 2020 Report Share Posted September 16, 2020 9 minutes ago, Carpmaster said: I’m already doing what you’ve said no boilie crumb I use dog biscuits the reason I’ve been pulling back is because if it ain’t bang on it’s no good either in rocks very dense weed or just buried in a weedbed If its not bang on, recast till it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carpmaster Posted September 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2020 Lol I have been even if it takes 4-5 recasts I’ll do t till I’m happy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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