elmoputney Posted September 5, 2020 Report Share Posted September 5, 2020 On 04/09/2020 at 14:57, kevtaylor said: I bought loads in different sizes and colours from a so called specialist hookbait company, to say I'm dissatisfied with all of them is an understatement. Falling over after several hours in a few inches of water is NOT the one. I'm pretty gobsmacked I've not slated the company but I'm past shouting about stuff nowadays. In hindsight I should have purchased 1 pot and tested, not trusted the blurb and bought lots - noddy! I guess I've got wafters for days/decades 🤣 Which specialist hookbait company please? I tend to get carried away always nice when I can rule one out 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
framey Posted September 5, 2020 Report Share Posted September 5, 2020 1 hour ago, elmoputney said: Which specialist hookbait company please? I tend to get carried away always nice when I can rule one out 😁 Yeah which one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Its-grim-up-north Posted September 5, 2020 Report Share Posted September 5, 2020 1 hour ago, framey said: Yeah which one Type specialist hookbaits in google and I think you’ll find which ones he’s talking about. elmoputney 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoputney Posted September 5, 2020 Report Share Posted September 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Its-grim-up-north said: Type specialist hookbaits in google and I think you’ll find which ones he’s talking about. Is it either specialized hookbaits or the bait room? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
framey Posted September 5, 2020 Report Share Posted September 5, 2020 1 hour ago, elmoputney said: Is it either specialized hookbaits or the bait room? Nah there’s loads around now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoputney Posted September 6, 2020 Report Share Posted September 6, 2020 Just looked at the bait room it says the shopping cart has been disabled, more like put in prison £30 for a tub of pop ups 😲🤯 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salokcinnodrog Posted October 23, 2020 Report Share Posted October 23, 2020 On 03/09/2020 at 09:15, yonny said: Imo any pop up that wont hold up a size 8 should be going straight in the bin! I agree, although some hooks have different gauge wire. A size 10 Solar 101, may be heavier than a size 8 ESP, although I have not compared it. I have actually pushed my luck on Bromeswell as the rules are for a size 10 being the largest hook allowed, but I did do a brand size comparison as there is no universal size. A size 8 B175 is around the same size as the Solar 101, but with a long shank and inturned eye. The B175 is also lighter in relation, being made of thinner metal. I also seem to get more positive hook-ups on the B175 to the Solar hooks. It may be rig related, although I found D rigs better on Solar hooks and sliding ring on shank, or a uni-knot loop for the bait tight to the hook and knotless knot better on B175's. The B175's also appear, by sight to be sharper out of the packet, but that may be down to a longer taper to the point. I have come away from pop-ups themselves and taken this thread off at a tangent, sorry. Going back to the pop-up theme, I found if fishing over maize and hemp, a standard yellow, (not fluoro) 11mm aniseed and bunspice on the hook, fished low to the lake bed works nicely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
framey Posted October 23, 2020 Report Share Posted October 23, 2020 7 hours ago, salokcinnodrog said: I agree, although some hooks have different gauge wire. A size 10 Solar 101, may be heavier than a size 8 ESP, although I have not compared it. I have actually pushed my luck on Bromeswell as the rules are for a size 10 being the largest hook allowed, but I did do a brand size comparison as there is no universal size. A size 8 B175 is around the same size as the Solar 101, but with a long shank and inturned eye. The B175 is also lighter in relation, being made of thinner metal. I also seem to get more positive hook-ups on the B175 to the Solar hooks. It may be rig related, although I found D rigs better on Solar hooks and sliding ring on shank, or a uni-knot loop for the bait tight to the hook and knotless knot better on B175's. The B175's also appear, by sight to be sharper out of the packet, but that may be down to a longer taper to the point. I have come away from pop-ups themselves and taken this thread off at a tangent, sorry. Going back to the pop-up theme, I found if fishing over maize and hemp, a standard yellow, (not fluoro) 11mm aniseed and bunspice on the hook, fished low to the lake bed works nicely. Bun spice the SBS one was the best imo had a lake record on that back in the late 80’s iirc at a massive 18lb 2oz Lol elmoputney and salokcinnodrog 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoputney Posted October 26, 2020 Report Share Posted October 26, 2020 On 23/10/2020 at 18:12, framey said: Bun spice the SBS one was the best imo had a lake record on that back in the late 80’s iirc at a massive 18lb 2oz Lol Does bun spice have clove in it? I've been hearing a lot about the anaesthetic properties on clove lately, and how it numbs a carps mouth, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
framey Posted October 26, 2020 Report Share Posted October 26, 2020 1 hour ago, elmoputney said: Does bun spice have clove in it? I've been hearing a lot about the anaesthetic properties on clove lately, and how it numbs a carps mouth, It did iso euginyl or however it is spelt lol elmoputney 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoputney Posted October 26, 2020 Report Share Posted October 26, 2020 10 minutes ago, framey said: It did iso euginyl or however it is spelt lol Sounds like a winner if it helps disguise the hook and smells like jesus buns, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaffa22 Posted October 26, 2020 Report Share Posted October 26, 2020 On 23/10/2020 at 18:12, framey said: Bun spice the SBS one was the best imo had a lake record on that back in the late 80’s iirc at a massive 18lb 2oz Lol I thought the original Rod Hutchinson bun spice was the best Carpmaster 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
framey Posted October 26, 2020 Report Share Posted October 26, 2020 6 hours ago, Gaffa22 said: I thought the original Rod Hutchinson bun spice was the best Each to their own I guess lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaffa22 Posted October 26, 2020 Report Share Posted October 26, 2020 1 hour ago, framey said: Each to their own I guess lol Yes indeed one mans nectar is another mans poison. Flavours are a very subjective area, and it’s difficult to accurately compare one against the other as there are too many variables. Baitwise I just use what gives me confidence, I was brought up with Rod Hutchinson flavours and ingredients, as started carping in the late 70’s I dont use flavours in my main loose feed boilies, a good base mix should have all the attraction needed. So the only baits I use with artificial flavours are a few pop ups and wafters I buy, as it’s difficult to make them as good as you can buy off the shelf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
framey Posted October 26, 2020 Report Share Posted October 26, 2020 I used to make them in the 80s used to have the kempastini book of baits but lent it to a tackle shop and never got it back ☹️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaffa22 Posted October 26, 2020 Report Share Posted October 26, 2020 1 hour ago, framey said: I used to make them in the 80s used to have the kempastini book of baits but lent it to a tackle shop and never got it back ☹️ Yes I remember Geoff Kemp well, knew him a bit as also used his flavours, especially his Dairy Cream. He went out of favour after someone spread rumours he was watering down his flavours, I personally never believed it but the damage was done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
framey Posted October 26, 2020 Report Share Posted October 26, 2020 35 minutes ago, Gaffa22 said: Yes I remember Geoff Kemp well, knew him a bit as also used his flavours, especially his Dairy Cream. He went out of favour after someone spread rumours he was watering down his flavours, I personally never believed it but the damage was done. The competition? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaffa22 Posted October 26, 2020 Report Share Posted October 26, 2020 7 minutes ago, framey said: The competition? Yes I would say so, even though there was no social media back then, word spread pretty quickly. There were some nasty comments made towards him at the carp society show that year. I was there and witnessed some of it, felt really sorry for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoputney Posted October 27, 2020 Report Share Posted October 27, 2020 I find it quite sad the negativity In carp fishing, I spent a while as a Contractor working with Dave Thorpe In the 90s, I used to bend his ear about anything I could, i know he got fed up with carp fishing after a fall out or something over his bait company, but he was brilliant to me i think it's because of him I started getting more seriously into carp fishing, it's even worse these days with social media sadly everyone now has an opinion and a platform Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaffa22 Posted October 27, 2020 Report Share Posted October 27, 2020 11 minutes ago, elmoputney said: I find it quite sad the negativity In carp fishing, I spent a while as a Contractor working with Dave Thorpe In the 90s, I used to bend his ear about anything I could, i know he got fed up with carp fishing after a fall out or something over his bait company, but he was brilliant to me i think it's because of him I started getting more seriously into carp fishing, it's even worse these days with social media sadly everyone now has an opinion and a platform Dave was a top bloke, fished a few sessions next to him at Waveney in the 80’s unlike some others he was happy to share elmoputney 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoputney Posted October 27, 2020 Report Share Posted October 27, 2020 40 minutes ago, Gaffa22 said: Dave was a top bloke, fished a few sessions next to him at Waveney in the 80’s unlike some others he was happy to share I really liked him, never fished with him but he didn't mind sharing, I caught the pond record after chatting to him about it, that was 17lb, after that I was a noddy with a dream 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusian Posted November 15, 2020 Report Share Posted November 15, 2020 Hi Fellas Do you think it is important that all your different colour Pop Ups are of the same flavour , or is it just the colour that is of importance ? . Also what about size and shape ? . Lastly , would you worry if you didn't match your Pop Up flavour with that of the food source boilies you were fishing over ? . Ta 😃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoputney Posted November 15, 2020 Report Share Posted November 15, 2020 1 hour ago, crusian said: Hi Fellas Do you think it is important that all your different colour Pop Ups are of the same flavour , or is it just the colour that is of importance ? . Also what about size and shape ? . Lastly , would you worry if you didn't match your Pop Up flavour with that of the food source boilies you were fishing over ? . Ta 😃 Personally I just use whatever, and try different things on all rods, will maybe switch another over if I catch on one, but not too bothered about flavours being the same or different colours, if they work as they should, and stand out a bit I'm happy I want my hookbait to be noticed, I will usually have a matching pop up, and a banana one and usually a brown black pepper + proper job to start with, I think you have 3 different rods try 3 different things, one thing I have noticed I can't find a favourite hookbait that seems to really stand out above all the others, it's usually the one you least expect that rattles off 😏 yonny and Carpmaster 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaffa22 Posted November 16, 2020 Report Share Posted November 16, 2020 I don’t think flavour matters too much when fishing over food bait, once they are feeding well they pick up everything in the area. I agree with Elmo it’s worth putting a different colour on each rod, if one particular colour gets more bites then change to that colour on all rods crusian and yonny 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoputney Posted November 16, 2020 Report Share Posted November 16, 2020 This is dynamite colour explanation of what to use and when may help you 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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