keeno86 Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 hey guys, the new lakes im looking at will allow me a chance at float/surface fishing. the rods i have are 3.5lb and my reels are big pits. im gonna get a dedicated floater rod to match my other rods but am stuck on which reel to get. im looking at the diawa therory reels, they look light enough for the job. anyone used these reels? if not can anyone recommend any reels (from diawa) that are good enough for only float fishing? keeno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosstheangler Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 I recently got a Daiwa SS2600 to go on my ESP floater rod and is balanced to perfection. Never been a fan of the older style Daiwa reels I had some 5000T's and thought they were awful but got the SS on some advice from the fat lad at Fosters! keeno86 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
androoooo Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 (edited) I recently got a Daiwa SS2600 to go on my ESP floater rod and is balanced to perfection. Never been a fan of the older style Daiwa reels I had some 5000T's and thought they were awful but got the SS on some advice from the fat lad at Fosters! I've got the daiwa ss2600 on my stalking rods and they balance perfectly. The challenge I see is the daiwa longbow floater rod has 50mm butt rings which on a balance perspective the smaller reels you'd associate with floater fishing won't really work and may lead to frap ups etc. Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk Edited July 23, 2016 by androoooo keeno86 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salokcinnodrog Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 I absolutely love floater fishing, so like you have dedicated kit. A 1.5 or 2lb test curve barbel or even an Avon rod works a treat, and I pair mine with a Shimano 6000 size baitrunner or 4000 Super Aero with fighting drag. Sounds strange but I use the same combination for chub fishing, either floaters, stalking or ledgering, and it has landed carp to over 20 as well as chub over 4lb. keeno86 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keeno86 Posted July 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 I've got the daiwa ss2600 on my stalking rods and they balance perfectly. The challenge I see is the daiwa longbow floater rod has 50mm butt rings which on a balance perspective the smaller reels you'd associate with floater fishing won't really work and may lead to frap ups etc. Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk i would be getting the longbow floater special, would you recommend sticking with my current reels, windcast br big pits instead of a smaller one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ddgx Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 Can I slightly hijack this thread? But to expand the convo about surface fishing Bait and end setup, what's your go to? I have done a few short sessions on runs/stocky ponds with my son to give him the bug. It amazes me that even the small fish are so coy to my bait sometimes. Even feeding competitively so often I watch them sussing something is up. It also makes me very dubious about 'fake' baits. If I use a pretty convincing fake dog biscuit amongst free offerings I can sit back and watch the whole lot get cleared out sometimes without the fake one getting touched. They know! So then it's on to a tiny dab of superglue on a real biscuit, I quite often think they are sensing or touching the line coming away from the bait, or perhaps it's just not moving naturally when they mouth or move in on the bait. I love bread but it doesn't stay on long, so sometimes I like pita bread but again once it's soggy no good. Anyone got a recipe for softening biscuits for hooking. Bit of vaseline on the fluoro to make it float? I'm got some things to figure out as you can tell Sent from my HTC 10 using Tapatalk nealjt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newmarket Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 Enterprise fake mixers Dan . Wonderful presentation even though they are a different shade to the real mixers it won't matter . It's how you get em feeding that's the key I reckon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyborx Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 (edited) Can I slightly hijack this thread? But to expand the convo about surface fishing Bait and end setup, what's your go to? I have done a few short sessions on runs/stocky ponds with my son to give him the bug. It amazes me that even the small fish are so coy to my bait sometimes. Even feeding competitively so often I watch them sussing something is up. It also makes me very dubious about 'fake' baits. If I use a pretty convincing fake dog biscuit amongst free offerings I can sit back and watch the whole lot get cleared out sometimes without the fake one getting touched. They know! So then it's on to a tiny dab of superglue on a real biscuit, I quite often think they are sensing or touching the line coming away from the bait, or perhaps it's just not moving naturally when they mouth or move in on the bait. I love bread but it doesn't stay on long, so sometimes I like pita bread but again once it's soggy no good. Anyone got a recipe for softening biscuits for hooking. Bit of vaseline on the fluoro to make it float? I'm got some things to figure out as you can tell Sent from my HTC 10 using Tapatalk my usual tactic for floaters is to 1) get em feeding pref in a tight circle so they are competitive 2) toss them one mixer at a time so that they are snatching at it 3) flick one out with a hook in close to the feeding end of the fish 4) as soon as it goes in the mouth carpy will turn away and you give a sharp strike 5) enjoy the ride oh yeh, edit to say that you get a better presentation using a fly tied imitation, the hook is invisible and they float. if you get some meaty glug in a spray bottle and give a squirt every now and then too dont hurt Edited July 24, 2016 by cyborx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salokcinnodrog Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 Can I slightly hijack this thread? But to expand the convo about surface fishing Bait and end setup, what's your go to? I have done a few short sessions on runs/stocky ponds with my son to give him the bug. It amazes me that even the small fish are so coy to my bait sometimes. Even feeding competitively so often I watch them sussing something is up. It also makes me very dubious about 'fake' baits. If I use a pretty convincing fake dog biscuit amongst free offerings I can sit back and watch the whole lot get cleared out sometimes without the fake one getting touched. They know! So then it's on to a tiny dab of superglue on a real biscuit, I quite often think they are sensing or touching the line coming away from the bait, or perhaps it's just not moving naturally when they mouth or move in on the bait. I love bread but it doesn't stay on long, so sometimes I like pita bread but again once it's soggy no good. Anyone got a recipe for softening biscuits for hooking. Bit of vaseline on the fluoro to make it float? I'm got some things to figure out as you can tell Sent from my HTC 10 using Tapatalk I don't bother softening mixers, I use them straight from the Bakers Complete bag. The big chunky ones are hookbaits, the mixed colours and shapes are freebies. Keep mixers tight to the shank of the hook, as light as hook as you can safely get away with. A Drennan Super Specialist or Barbel hook in 8 or 10 works well. Like you I don't do very well with fake ones either, nor when chub fishing, they definitely do prefer the real ones. One thing I have noticed, is that the big chunky squares are very oily, you can see a circle of oil spread out from it, that may actually hide the hook or line (maybe?). I prefer most of the hooklink to float, only the last inch or so to sink. Come to think of it, there is some good info on here https://forum.carp.com/topic/22213-how-to-float-a-dog-biscuit-help/?hl=%2Bfloater+%2Bfishing#entry279806 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayvid Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 I have always preferred floating crust ,no controller ,just line hook and crust but you are limited to range Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyborx Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 I have always preferred floating crust ,no controller ,just line hook and crust but you are limited to range killer method if you can get them at it close in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nealjt Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 For Ddgx - Luncheon meat and cork mushed up in tights is amazing and will cast miles [emoji41] occasionally I try to be really clever and fish the bait on a hair with a small shot in the hair loop. When I get it right the weight flips the bait so the hook is out of the water above the bait and sometimes it'll lift the last inch of line clear of the water as well. Ddgx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosstheangler Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 i would be getting the longbow floater special, would you recommend sticking with my current reels, windcast br big pits instead of a smaller one? You generally only get frap ups when using bigger reels and small rings so I wouldn't worry about. If you want to go bigger look at the Shimano baby big pits they might balance well on those longbows. keeno86 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ddgx Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 For Ddgx - Luncheon meat and cork mushed up in tights is amazing and will cast miles [emoji41] occasionally I try to be really clever and fish the bait on a hair with a small shot in the hair loop. When I get it right the weight flips the bait so the hook is out of the water above the bait and sometimes it'll lift the last inch of line clear of the water as well.I like the sound of this... What colour tights? [emoji16] Sent from my HTC 10 using Tapatalk nealjt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nealjt Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 (edited) He he! Whatever colour the Mrs won't miss [emoji39] arma mesh is great also. I do find with meshing bait a small bit of Pva is needed, nugget or stick, to make sure the hook doesn't snag on the mesh. I'm sneeking a day off work on friday and will have my surface meat bait on the go so will post some pics Edited July 25, 2016 by nealjt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salokcinnodrog Posted July 26, 2016 Report Share Posted July 26, 2016 I like the sound of this... What colour tights? [emoji16] Sent from my HTC 10 using Tapatalk I prefer stockings Whatever colour you manage to ladder after a good night Actually tan stockings or tights tend to blend in to your bait better than black Ddgx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ddgx Posted July 26, 2016 Report Share Posted July 26, 2016 He he! Whatever colour the Mrs won't miss [emoji39] arma mesh is great also. I do find with meshing bait a small bit of Pva is needed, nugget or stick, to make sure the hook doesn't snag on the mesh. I'm sneeking a day off work on friday and will have my surface meat bait on the go so will post some picsYeah please do, would appreciate seeing what it's meant to look like. Ta very much. Sent from my HTC 10 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nealjt Posted July 30, 2016 Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 Sorry Ddgx I didn't get to go yesterday, ended up on boy duty with a list of jobs to do [emoji51] I'll try and mock up something at home tonight for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newmarket Posted July 30, 2016 Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 For Ddgx - Luncheon meat and cork mushed up in tights is amazing and will cast miles [emoji41] occasionally I try to be really clever and fish the bait on a hair with a small shot in the hair loop. When I get it right the weight flips the bait so the hook is out of the water above the bait and sometimes it'll lift the last inch of line clear of the water as well. Neal , your shot in the hair loop trick is exactly how the Enterprise fake mixers work . Therr is a little hole in each one that holds a small split shot and the weight flips the hook on top . The fish never see a hook mate . Exactly the same principle . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ddgx Posted July 31, 2016 Report Share Posted July 31, 2016 I should have said I actually own the enterprise fake biscuits. Good in principle but I still think because there's no food signature there they get left. Sent from my HTC 10 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nealjt Posted July 31, 2016 Report Share Posted July 31, 2016 This is kind of the idea, a crude version, I'd push the weight into the hookbait, with luncheon meat it is just a case of luncheon meat on one side with half a pop up on the other with the hook on the side of the pop up, you have to play around with the size of weight and amount of meat to make sure it floats but is pretty easy. Using mesh or tights isn't too tricky. Tights are a cheaper way to go but there is more faff though. This is what is use with arma mesh. It is a syringe from my boys calpol with the tip cut off. Makes a bait of about 15mm [emoji12] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nealjt Posted July 31, 2016 Report Share Posted July 31, 2016 If you use a stiffish hook length and tie it so it exits the eye of the hook at the front I find it naturally curls up from the bait and enters the water about an inch or two away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nealjt Posted July 31, 2016 Report Share Posted July 31, 2016 If you wanted to go super mad, this does actually cast quite well! Stiff fluro to lighter main line. I called it the reverse combi surface mirror Chod rig [emoji12] it doesn't show up well but the bait is just under the surface with the hook clear of the water and the join in the lines is where it touches the surface. cyborx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nealjt Posted July 31, 2016 Report Share Posted July 31, 2016 Better version, the level of the bait in the water and a reflection of the stiff section can been seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spr1985 Posted July 31, 2016 Report Share Posted July 31, 2016 You may already know this Neal but I heard if you freeze luncheon meat and then let it thaw it floats....can't for the life of me think where I read it though Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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