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the new lakes im looking at will allow me a chance at float/surface fishing. the rods i have are 3.5lb and my reels are big pits. im gonna get a dedicated floater rod to match my other rods  but am stuck on which reel to get. im looking at the diawa therory reels, they look light enough for the job. anyone used these reels? if not can anyone recommend any reels (from diawa) that are good enough for only float fishing?

 

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I recently got a Daiwa SS2600 to go on my ESP floater rod and is balanced to perfection.

 

Never been a fan of the older style Daiwa reels I had some 5000T's and thought they were awful but got the SS on some advice from the fat lad at Fosters!

I've got the daiwa ss2600 on my stalking rods and they balance perfectly. The challenge I see is the daiwa longbow floater rod has 50mm butt rings which on a balance perspective the smaller reels you'd associate with floater fishing won't really work and may lead to frap ups etc.

 

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I absolutely love floater fishing, so like you have dedicated kit.

 

 

A 1.5 or 2lb test curve barbel or even an Avon rod works a treat, and I pair mine with a Shimano 6000 size baitrunner or 4000 Super Aero with fighting drag.

Sounds strange but I use the same combination for chub fishing, either floaters, stalking or ledgering, and it has landed carp to over 20 as well as chub over 4lb.

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I've got the daiwa ss2600 on my stalking rods and they balance perfectly. The challenge I see is the daiwa longbow floater rod has 50mm butt rings which on a balance perspective the smaller reels you'd associate with floater fishing won't really work and may lead to frap ups etc.

 

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i would be getting the longbow floater special, would you recommend sticking with my current reels, windcast br big pits instead of a smaller one?

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Can I slightly hijack this thread? But to expand the convo about surface fishing :)

Bait and end setup, what's your go to? I have done a few short sessions on runs/stocky ponds with my son to give him the bug. It amazes me that even the small fish are so coy to my bait sometimes. Even feeding competitively so often I watch them sussing something is up. It also makes me very dubious about 'fake' baits. If I use a pretty convincing fake dog biscuit amongst free offerings I can sit back and watch the whole lot get cleared out sometimes without the fake one getting touched. They know! So then it's on to a tiny dab of superglue on a real biscuit, I quite often think they are sensing or touching the line coming away from the bait, or perhaps it's just not moving naturally when they mouth or move in on the bait. I love bread but it doesn't stay on long, so sometimes I like pita bread but again once it's soggy no good. Anyone got a recipe for softening biscuits for hooking. Bit of vaseline on the fluoro to make it float? I'm got some things to figure out as you can tell :)

 

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Can I slightly hijack this thread? But to expand the convo about surface fishing :)

Bait and end setup, what's your go to? I have done a few short sessions on runs/stocky ponds with my son to give him the bug. It amazes me that even the small fish are so coy to my bait sometimes. Even feeding competitively so often I watch them sussing something is up. It also makes me very dubious about 'fake' baits. If I use a pretty convincing fake dog biscuit amongst free offerings I can sit back and watch the whole lot get cleared out sometimes without the fake one getting touched. They know! So then it's on to a tiny dab of superglue on a real biscuit, I quite often think they are sensing or touching the line coming away from the bait, or perhaps it's just not moving naturally when they mouth or move in on the bait. I love bread but it doesn't stay on long, so sometimes I like pita bread but again once it's soggy no good. Anyone got a recipe for softening biscuits for hooking. Bit of vaseline on the fluoro to make it float? I'm got some things to figure out as you can tell :)

 

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my usual tactic for floaters is to

1) get em feeding pref in a tight circle so they are competitive

2) toss them one mixer at a time so that they are snatching at it

3) flick one out with a hook in close to the feeding end of the fish

4) as soon as it goes in the mouth carpy will turn away and you give a sharp strike

5) enjoy the ride :lol:

 

 

oh yeh, edit to say that you get a better presentation using a fly tied imitation, the hook is invisible and they float. if you get some meaty glug in a spray bottle and give a squirt every now and then too dont hurt :wink:

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Can I slightly hijack this thread? But to expand the convo about surface fishing :)

Bait and end setup, what's your go to? I have done a few short sessions on runs/stocky ponds with my son to give him the bug. It amazes me that even the small fish are so coy to my bait sometimes. Even feeding competitively so often I watch them sussing something is up. It also makes me very dubious about 'fake' baits. If I use a pretty convincing fake dog biscuit amongst free offerings I can sit back and watch the whole lot get cleared out sometimes without the fake one getting touched. They know! So then it's on to a tiny dab of superglue on a real biscuit, I quite often think they are sensing or touching the line coming away from the bait, or perhaps it's just not moving naturally when they mouth or move in on the bait. I love bread but it doesn't stay on long, so sometimes I like pita bread but again once it's soggy no good. Anyone got a recipe for softening biscuits for hooking. Bit of vaseline on the fluoro to make it float? I'm got some things to figure out as you can tell :)

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I don't bother softening mixers, I use them straight from the Bakers Complete bag.

The big chunky ones are hookbaits, the mixed colours and shapes are freebies.

Keep mixers tight to the shank of the hook, as light as hook as you can safely get away with. A Drennan Super Specialist or Barbel hook in 8 or 10 works well.

 

 

Like you I don't do very well with fake ones either, nor when chub fishing, they definitely do prefer the real ones. One thing I have noticed, is that the big chunky squares are very oily, you can see a circle of oil spread out from it, that may actually hide the hook or line (maybe?).

 

I prefer most of the hooklink to float, only the last inch or so to sink.

 

 

Come to think of it, there is some good info on here

https://forum.carp.com/topic/22213-how-to-float-a-dog-biscuit-help/?hl=%2Bfloater+%2Bfishing#entry279806

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For Ddgx - Luncheon meat and cork mushed up in tights is amazing and will cast miles [emoji41] occasionally I try to be really clever and fish the bait on a hair with a small shot in the hair loop. When I get it right the weight flips the bait so the hook is out of the water above the bait and sometimes it'll lift the last inch of line clear of the water as well.

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i would be getting the longbow floater special, would you recommend sticking with my current reels, windcast br big pits instead of a smaller one?

You generally only get frap ups when using bigger reels and small rings so I wouldn't worry about. If you want to go bigger look at the Shimano baby big pits they might balance well on those longbows.

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For Ddgx - Luncheon meat and cork mushed up in tights is amazing and will cast miles [emoji41] occasionally I try to be really clever and fish the bait on a hair with a small shot in the hair loop. When I get it right the weight flips the bait so the hook is out of the water above the bait and sometimes it'll lift the last inch of line clear of the water as well.

I like the sound of this... What colour tights? [emoji16]

 

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He he! Whatever colour the Mrs won't miss [emoji39] arma mesh is great also. I do find with meshing bait a small bit of Pva is needed, nugget or stick, to make sure the hook doesn't snag on the mesh. I'm sneeking a day off work on friday and will have my surface meat bait on the go so will post some pics

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I like the sound of this... What colour tights? [emoji16]

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I prefer stockings :wink:

Whatever colour you manage to ladder after a good night :oops::o

 

Actually tan stockings or tights tend to blend in to your bait better than black

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He he! Whatever colour the Mrs won't miss [emoji39] arma mesh is great also. I do find with meshing bait a small bit of Pva is needed, nugget or stick, to make sure the hook doesn't snag on the mesh. I'm sneeking a day off work on friday and will have my surface meat bait on the go so will post some pics

Yeah please do, would appreciate seeing what it's meant to look like. Ta very much.

 

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For Ddgx - Luncheon meat and cork mushed up in tights is amazing and will cast miles [emoji41] occasionally I try to be really clever and fish the bait on a hair with a small shot in the hair loop. When I get it right the weight flips the bait so the hook is out of the water above the bait and sometimes it'll lift the last inch of line clear of the water as well.

Neal , your shot in the hair loop trick is exactly how the Enterprise fake mixers work . Therr is a little hole in each one that holds a small split shot and the weight flips the hook on top .

 

The fish never see a hook mate . Exactly the same principle .

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This is kind of the idea, a crude version, I'd push the weight into the hookbait, with luncheon meat it is just a case of luncheon meat on one side with half a pop up on the other with the hook on the side of the pop up, you have to play around with the size of weight and amount of meat to make sure it floats but is pretty easy.

 

Using mesh or tights isn't too tricky. Tights are a cheaper way to go but there is more faff though.

 

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This is what is use with arma mesh. It is a syringe from my boys calpol with the tip cut off. Makes a bait of about 15mm [emoji12]

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If you wanted to go super mad, this does actually cast quite well! Stiff fluro to lighter main line. I called it the reverse combi surface mirror Chod rig [emoji12]

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it doesn't show up well but the bait is just under the surface with the hook clear of the water and the join in the lines is where it touches the surface.

 

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