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I drilled all holes with a bog standard masonry drill bit , to make the bigger hole I started off with a 6 mm drill bit then used a 8 mm then 10 mm then 12 mm , I will look at both methods , glue in swivel and the hole through . ! the soft sandstone I drill is quite soft , I just hold the stone in my left hand and drill with my right hand with the stone resting on a wooden bench or something that doesn't matter if it gets drilled ,my drill is light though , might be tricky with a heavier drill !

yes , found them buzz, stone net sinkers ! just what im looking for !

cheers mooseman, ! I have all the things you mentioned except pre digested fishmeal , but I usually buy a sack in spring and take a small bag with me when I go as ground bait. I think I saw a post by nick on the subject of soaking wooden balls ! simple , and simple = good , for me !

wow ! did you find the little ones tricky to drill buzz , was that with a standard masonry bit ? I have thought of using a bit that's used for drilling ceramic tiles , possibly ! I do manage to get through sandstone without the hammer action though (less damage on exit hole ), making sure that where the bit is going to emerge from is sat on something , usually wood to stop a chunk of stone being forced off as the drill head emerges . !

thanks cyborx , NM , i will be trying this !

ALL GOOD STUFF ! thanks for the reply's . I am going to look into the leak rates of all things I can think of , I have thought of popping a wooden bung in both ends using a porous wood like balsa with the bung to be around 8 - 10 mm long with the middle length of the pebble completely filled with leaky filler, possibly corresponding everything , 12 mm drill 12 mm doweling , maybe soaking a pre cut lengths of dowel and having them in a goo pot on the bank ready to pop in to the pebble ,maybe a length of hemp rope soaked in goo at the required diameter ? I will keep faffing around !

cheers androoooo ! I will have a play this next weekend !

please !

so , this is the latest that i have thought of , what im thinking of doing is creating a cocktail of something that is nice n smelly and packing that hole (12 mm by around 40mm),i would like to use something natural like mashed snails or liver ,mixed with something so it will leak over a 3 - 4 hour period , maybe even filling the hole and letting it set and that way i could prepare everything for a long session ! last year , september october time whilst fishing in the margins i baited up as usual , and got the odd twitch on my line which becomes more common the later in the season it gets ,especially in the margins , anyway the sun moved round and lit up where i had baited up (in the shade under the trees )a few minutes earlier and i couldnt understand where all my sweetcorn had gone , in under 3 minutes ! so i chucked a few more in and before they were hitting the bottom they were being eaten by that years brood of various fry , and when i chucked a good handfull in , the bottom just became a seething mass! ,they must of had a good year as there was far more than the previous year ! so it would be nice to have something in there that would do a bit of attracting that cant be eaten by the little hoovers ! I know very little about attractors , and according to my last girlfriend ,i didnt rank very highly at filling ! mmm maybe not so i need help filling that hole !

while I have some time on my hands I will look at a few other ideas, I was thinking about drilling the hole with a bigger bit and possibly filling with something that could slowly leak out,this would have to be done after both lines had been passed through or drilling a separate hole and filling it , could be handy on rivers as it will not wash away with the flow ,and cant be nicked by bream ,

Pallatrax ! sure are some quality looking stones ! A few of the places I fish are rocky I have had a few line grating moments where you can feel your line is grating over something and on seeing the damage to my mainline and shock leader consider it lucky not to of snapped ! ( twice in 2 years ) my shock leader was more than half way through ,I was very impressed with it for not snapping it took a real pounding ! im sure I can make a years supply in a few hours ,drilled , sanded ,everything , and if the worst happens then , ive done my best to make sure mr carp isn't going to get tethered , I would like to still have the option of casting out though !

sorry Neal ,yes the whole point of it is for the weak link to break immediately on pickup , and yes I am trying to get away from dumping loads of leads , zero leads = more whiskey =

also looking at that system , if that doesn't release immediately and it had any sharp edges , that could do some damage to a carp

has anyone used this system , its common on ebro and some of the rivers in France (so im told ).

A passion for angling has stuck in my mind for years especially when they fish a so called unfished lake full of weed and are spotting them from trees !

yes I reckon you would loose some distance on a long cast also, I thought of this method just for my style of river fishing in france ,I rarely am able to get 2 rods out where I fish,i occasionally fish at distance and when I do I have my kayak with me and I will take me rig out and lovingly position it on the spot , I would have to have confidence in this method via a bit of distance casting to make sure the system can withstand the force from a long cast without damage to the pva string , im confident it would though if prepared properly ,I would not want to be killing people ,cows on the opposite bank with pebbles ,

im a builder ,so no outlay on tools , I have a garden that has thousands of round smooth sandstone pebbles in it , its a no brainer for me !

great stuff everyone ! keep em coming . I have actually looked at that system Nealjt ,clever idea ! I was trying to get away from dumping leads though !

sorry people but i redid the diagram ,i put the A and B the wrong way round , i tried to edit but i was told i didnt have permission ! what a numpty ! i might have to cut back on the whiskey .

This might make it a bit easier to understand ! this pebble is around 4 oz and is sanded down with a bit of sand paper, only took a minute !

cheers dal, i just like the idea of having just a swivel between me and fish whilst playing it ,and if the worst does happen then there is a good chance carpy will not get tethered , as i fish snaggy rivers .cant wait to give it a go in spring !

after your pva string has melted you should be left with this

the line that breaks on pick up is 1/2 kg , I wrote on the diagram . 5 kg, (point 5kg ) could well go to 2 lb breaking strain ( I use 50 l braid ), the pva string goes through the pebble and returns back to the swivel over the top of the pebble . your rig ,which could be protected with tubing where it touches the pebble does not go through the pebble ! it sounds complicated but after a couple of goes it can be tied in a 2 mins ! when its done you can simply test it by lifting via the mainline and making sure the weight is taken via the pva string and not the 1/2 kg line

inspired by a big mac !

here goes then ! so,in this diagram you have your mainline attatched to your rig via the swivel at "B" 1st tie your .5 kg line to the swivel at point "B" and thread it through the pebble and tie at point "A" leave just a little bit of slack,you could cover this length of rig with some tubing ,where it touches the pebble ! 2nd thread some 9 ply pva string through swivel at point "B" and through pebble and return to point "B" maybe double up for extra strength ! now this has to be tight as it will take the load on casting also make sure you have removed any sharp edges after drilling ,i used an angle grinder a dremmel tool or sand paper will do , try to pick pebbles that you can get a drill bit through ,avoid hard stone like granit , i used sandstone. the hole was made with a 6 mm masonry bit in a cordless drill you might have to play around with the line through the center of the pebble to get the desired weight of break to you lead etc i just had some old .5 kg maxima lying around ! if all goes well this is what you should be left with after a take ,i tried it around 10 times and it seemed pretty reliable ive not tried it out properly yet though , i hope you can make sense of this if anyone can improve then please do !