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Never tried it but can't really see any advantages of it tbh. If anything I reckon it would be a pain to stop tangling on the cast.

in theory it is mate but i was just trying to think of something different that might get you a couple of extra bites on them tough days. with 2 hairs you could use a milk protien bait on one and a fishmeal on the other then bait up with both, then if the carp on that particular day have a preference for say the fishmeal over the milk then you may give yourself a better chance of catching. the main concern for me is the presentation and hooking potentail of such a rig, perhaps a visit to a runs water with 1 rod on a convential snowman and 1 on the double hair is the way forward. mufty Like your style mate, trial and error makes things interesting.

Is a snowman presentation not the same thing???? Sounds a little like over complicating things to me.

I never read this first time around. Can't believe some of those responses. FACT.........................

Oh yes! Couldn't to without tapered rig sleeves either! I agree about not adding metal work where not needed, but I recon a crimp at the bottom of the hook link would help to keep the bottom of the rig on the deck. Not a problem when fishing a lead core leader of course, which I do mostly, (All extremely safely set up btw) but naked chod set up needs a bit of something to keep the rig grounded. A crimp with a bit of tungsten putty would work nicely. That's exactly what I do mate. Great, thanks for that. what hook link length do you use? I normally go for as short as possible, maybe an inch or so on a naked set up as it drops slower with nothing to pull it down, and maybe 2 - 3 inch on a lead core depending on how deep the weed or silt I'm fishing over. Sound about right to you?. Yes mate, all depends what you're fishing over

Oh yes! Couldn't to without tapered rig sleeves either! I agree about not adding metal work where not needed, but I recon a crimp at the bottom of the hook link would help to keep the bottom of the rig on the deck. Not a problem when fishing a lead core leader of course, which I do mostly, (All extremely safely set up btw) but naked chod set up needs a bit of something to keep the rig grounded. A crimp with a bit of tungsten putty would work nicely. That's exactly what I do mate.

Yea I thought about crimping. The only ones I currently have are too thin for a double thickness of filament. Might have to get some that will work though! Thanks. I crimp mine now as well. What filament are you using if it's to thick??? ESP 15lb bristle. It's only to thick as my crimps are from my pike kit and are designed for 7 strand wire which is super thin. I'll get some new crimps I think. Ah, with you now. I use the crimps made by he who shall not be named and they're alright I believe wychwood make some as well. Yea I'll have a look for the Korda ones. Double barrel is a good idea! Crimps will keep my un-natural need for every knot, tag end or any other imperfection to be changed or covered. OCD much!?! Shrink tube and putty hide a multitude of sins!

Yea I thought about crimping. The only ones I currently have are too thin for a double thickness of filament. Might have to get some that will work though! Thanks. I crimp mine now as well. What filament are you using if it's to thick??? ESP 15lb bristle. It's only to thick as my crimps are from my pike kit and are designed for 7 strand wire which is super thin. I'll get some new crimps I think. Ah, with you now. I use the crimps made by he who shall not be named and they're alright I believe wychwood make some as well.

THANK YOU. I have been tying them as a traditional hair rig for ease of baiting but haven't been happy with them.

Yea I thought about crimping. The only ones I currently have are too thin for a double thickness of filament. Might have to get some that will work though! Thanks. I crimp mine now as well. What filament are you using if it's to thick???

I pretty much do the same except I keep my choddys on my marker float tube.

I did think 20lb was a bit heavy. Do you really need a leader, thinking of fish safety and all that!?

I love a cliffhanger but, get on with it!

Knotless knot for hooks Palomar for swivels Allbright for combi rigs 2 turn grinner for chods Figure of 8 for hooklinks Hangmans for blanks

Someone needs to invent a bluetooth hooklink so that the hook bait is as natural as a freebie. I've no idea how but I'll leave that to all of you that have the time to mess about with such things.

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Only when all the slack is taken up. I fish my indicators at maximum drop, or resting on the ground. I use running rigs over groundbait (which I think is creating the same effect as particles), where the carp are just hoovering up the whole lot as they "graze" along the lakebed, and where I am fishing with scattered baits, stringers and bags and have not noticed any problems. In respect to when all the slack is taken up surely then slack lines would give worse indication? If a fish picks up you're bait and pulls 2 inches of line through your leads run rig does your alarm beep and your bobbin move? I believe it does, which is resistance, causing the bolt effect. Imagine a slack line running through a tube, you can pull it quite easily, the water acts in this way, as a tube, so there is minimal resistance. The indicator lifts up easily with the slack line. I think the only resistance is when the slack line has been taken up and is now pulling tight Now try a tight line cutting through the water, whichever way it moves there is resistance. I see what you mean Nick. Next time I'm on the bank I'll give it a go.

Only when all the slack is taken up. I fish my indicators at maximum drop, or resting on the ground. I use running rigs over groundbait (which I think is creating the same effect as particles), where the carp are just hoovering up the whole lot as they "graze" along the lakebed, and where I am fishing with scattered baits, stringers and bags and have not noticed any problems. In respect to when all the slack is taken up surely then slack lines would give worse indication? If a fish picks up you're bait and pulls 2 inches of line through your leads run rig does your alarm beep and your bobbin move? I believe it does, which is resistance, causing the bolt effect.

I've heard that myself zammo, got a couple of GR60 bulk spools from my mates shop as he said it would be his last delivery but it wont last for ever , it's a shame is a very good line imo The replacement is called GR60X have a look on erics website.

I understand the principle of using a bolt rig but, basically the way most modern carp fishing is done every rig is a bolt rig. Using a bobbin, swinger or even a line clip adds resistance making your rig a bolt rig. Albeit not at the end tackle but it has the same effect.

I've never had a problem with bite indication when using a running rig over anything. I think you're over thinking the situation.

saying that i do point my rods in the direction ive cast so the is a straight run between bait and rod tip though i think i may have confussed myself 1 to many jamaican cigars quick question about your method sal with that slack linel wot happens with drop backs if the lines that slack surely they dont register Slack lines and running rigs will always register a "normal" bite. The lead doesn't move but the line does.

As long as you're rig is tied properly I can't see it being a problem. This is only my preference for pop-ups, like I said it's a confidence thing. One my friends uses a size 6 hook for all his rigs. I assume you are using a lot bigger hooks for the Mumbai monsters you go after As to the floating feeder question I'm not really sure what it is. Some guy's on here (cobleyn off the top of my head) fish exotic places and will probably be more help on that one.

Nice to see you back on Ali. I don't think there is any hard and fast rule. If I was using a 15mm bottom bait with a size 8 hook, I'd use a size 10 for a 15mm pop up. It's a confiddnce thing for me. Having a big bit of metal floating above the bottom seems a bit hinky.

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