tonybranno

And why would you want to go to the hassle of doing that? Surely it is best to choose a certain hooklink material in a certain length for a certain bottom you are fishing over (taking into account your baiting pattern and the actual bait you are using) on the given day. Apart from my choddies, i do not tie my rigs at home anymore. I get to the swim i choose, decide what bait im fishing with and the bottom im fishing over then tie a rig to suit the situation. I feel doing it that way you are more flexible in your approach.

When i fish over spod with particles i sometimes use an artificial piece of corn on the hair and i also put it on the hair length ways. I do it with normal cooked maize as well because i think it lays better on the bottom. Whether it does make a difference i do not know but im more confident when i set it up like that.

Could we do it another day, im feeling a tad tired

I was merely making a point fella. If you want me to bite your head off it can be arranged

And thats coming from someone who thought i was not giving out sensible advice by recommending using pop ups as bottom baits. But then again, what do i know eh?

I cant see how anyone can go fishing with pre-conceived ideas anymore! I used to fall into that trap then wonder what you are doing wrong when you dont catch. You are using 2 pieces of artificial corn. I admit thats a good hookbait but then you ask what hooklink to put it on? How can we answer that when we dont know the nature of the lakebed? Surely that is the sole factor for deciding what hooklink on the day is best to use for the given spot in your swim?

First off well done to you for sticking to your guns and having faith in your approach to constructing your rigs and like yourself i do agree that we sometimes over complicate things. Some of these "wonder rigs" are designed by the angler in question to catch one certain fish in one certain scenario. Now to your question on why do the mags and books suggest complicated rigs..... its because maybe the angler writing the article is sponsored by a certain tackle manufacturer and the more bits and bobs he endorses, the more the angler reading the article will go out buy the said components thus lining the manufacturers pocket Regarding the hooks, each different pattern of hook is suited to a fishing certain situation. Some people use different hook patterns for fishing bottom baits, pop ups, chod rigs etc.

And it does, i saw the film tonight. I was a tad disappointed about the film to be honest. Its good, but it has been loosely based on the novel and i feel it leaves out quite a few of the key moments that feature in the book. But then again i suppose you must expect that. It must be hard for a filmaker to condense 600 odd pages of a very well written novel into just over a 2 hour film. Its still a very well made film though

Cos no doubt thats what Danny Fairbrass does

Then instead of buying them, use the cash to get your own materials and tie your own. That way you will not be limited to the set length of the hooklink or hair of the hooklinks you are buying and you will be able to tailor your own hooklinks to any fishing situation you come across.

Ok lets get one thing straight mate and im not having a dig at you personally ok?. Im sure you have an enthusiasm for carp angling and i take it at the moment your mind is like a sponge for information so you are grabbing anything to read up on the subject, either from the internet or the monthly magazines. Now please DONT be swayed by the magazines by thinking that you need the most complicated rig imaginable to catch a carp..... You dont. And i would seriously think again about paying for people to make your hooklinks for you. A part of angling is doing these "basic" things yourself. If you dont do them, how are you going to learn? Goto your local tackle shop, buy a good braided hooklink material and a packet of decent hooks and learn the knotless knot. It is very easy to tie and if your knots fail then you only have yourself to blame.

Its not rocket science mate

With the motion picture being released just this week i decided to get the "heads up" so to speak on the storyline by reading the book first before i went to see the film. I did this with another one of Dan Browns novels, The Da Vinci Code and im glad i did cos even though the film is very good, the book is so much better. Ok back to Angels & Demons. I finished the book this morning and just like the Da Vinci Code, Dan Browns' writing style leaves you with a lot of questions until the last few chapters where everything falls into place just like a jigsaw and makes for such compelling reading that you really cant put the book down. I found myself saying, 'One more chapter', 'One more chapter' until you just have to finish the book. Once again like The Da Vinci Code, the character Robert Langdon who is a Symbologist features heavily in the storyline and he is summoned to CERN at Geneva to investigate a death of a scientist who has been "branded" with an ancient ambiagram before he was robbed of a destructive new substance called 'antimatter'. Obviously i dont want to say too much and ruin the book for others but the storyline then unfolds and takes him onto Rome where he has to use his expertise in tracking down a so called 'Hassassin' supposedly hired by an ancient cult who call themselves the 'Illumnati' who are threatening to destroy the Vatican with this 'antimatter'. Its a fantastic book and i would definately highly recommend it

What i do is tie some dental floss onto the rig ring with a grinner knot. Put the pop up into the loop of dental floss and pull down tight then cut the excess floss off then blob the knot with a lighter. Easy peasy

When the bait gets sucked in, in my mind the hair will straighten out and the hook will follow behind, like its being towed by the bait.

This is where a lot of us switch off And you will sit there for hours and hours, even days, waiting for a run that may not happen and you cannot be bothered to do a 2 minute mathematical calculation. Shame on you Tony:oops: PMSL

Ive seen this diagram in a book fella, im now racking my brains to think of which one Frank, As regards to the 360. Ive heard nothing but bad points on this due to the hook, double hooking fish. I think its something to do with cos the angle that the swivel creates on the hook eye. Have you had any experience of this yourself? Now i do admit i dont know the ins and outs of this rig at all cos im not sure of what situation it would be needed in my fishing. Can you shed any light on this at all?

I apologise if I read you wrong. Absolutley no apologies needed on your part Frank at all

This is where a lot of us switch off

Ive heard of it in the past and ive just googled it and TBH i would never use something like that cos i really dont think that you need to. Once again, i feel that you are just confusing the issue and pulling out some rig that will hinder your chances of a capture, not improve it. If ive got the correct set up, if you get a fish and you hook it, all the pressure from the fish going one way, and you pulling the other, is centred on a very small rig ring on the pop up. IMO that is not gonna withstand much pressure before it gives way. If you are fishing for big fish in heavy weed, then i seriously doubt you will land anything TBH. Remember..... your rig is only the strongest at its weakest point. And IMO, that rig ring is a seriously weakened point

And thats the joys of fishing Nige. Everyone has their own ideas on how to tackle a certain situation The reason i said use a longer hair is for confidence reasons on the carps part. Im not sure what book it was but i read that a certain angler knew that carp mouthed the bait before confidently taking it. So my thoughts where to do the same. Let the fish mouth the bait which would act the same, and feel the same as the freebies (with no hook close to it) then let it take the bait back once it thought it was ok. I feel that once a bait has been 'mouthed' and it spells danger, then it is left alone. That is why you hear of so many anglers saying "I had fish all over me, but i couldnt get a take. And when i checked my baited area all that was left was my hookbait". I think thats the reason why. But hey, i maybe talking cobblers as well But to be honest, something as simple as the fish not approaching the rig the right way could give it cause to not take the bait perfectly to give a strikable run. Ive said it before..... there are so many variables in fishing that im amazed we catch at all.

Frank, if you think i spoke out of turn then please (and everyone else for that matter) accept my apologies. It wasnt meant has you obviously read it. I was merely trying to add to an extremely interesting subject with my points of view

If you have got the luxury of seeing fish feed in crystal clear water then you have definitely got a better understanding of how to catch them certain fish on that certain area. But lets be honest, if you are fishing at range of anything more than marginal yards, then its gonna be difficult, if not impossible to see exactly what they are getting away with. Personally i have seen fish feed and caught fish while watching them tear up my marginal baited spot, but unfortunately for me the water wasn’t crystal clear and all I saw was shadows ghosting in, upending to feed then ghost out again. But luckily for me my current venue which is weed infested and gin clear hopefully will give me the opportunity to see fish feed in close quarters some time this summer, but like I said, I still don’t believe that you can see exactly whats going on unless you are fishing very close in. Once again I presume you are talking about close in, margin fishing here cos like I said before, anything further out than that you would have real difficulty seeing what was happening anyway. In the case of the gravel bottomed lake though I would make my end tackle as subtle as possible And make my bait act as natural as the freebies by counterbalancing it. Also shortening the hooklink could help along with lengthening the hair to make sure you have a much greater degree of separation between the hook and bait. To be honest, on the silty venue where even close in you are not gonna see much at all, I would experiment and try the same as above, but cos you cant see the carps reaction to anything, then i feel its gonna be trial and error. Either way, I feel pulling out a rig that’s all whistles and bells rings here and swivels there is just gonna hinder your chances of a take. I wouldn’t be at all confident of doing something l;ike that. But thats just my opinion.

And thats why i feel its best to keep it simple. My train of thought is to try and keep your end tackle and your hooklength as inconspicuous as possible. The more things you add to that, the less fish you are going to catch. I think its simple and so obvious. Ive said it before and i will continue to say it..... you will find that these "super duper" rigs may have been designed for a certain scenario, in a certain lake for a certain fish. No wonder that the newcomer to carp angling can get there head in a mess worrying about something so easy as the last 9 inches of there end tackle. I blame the comics for that.

You guys make me laugh Lets be honest, the whole thread is based on a hypothetical question cos no one will know with 100% certainty that the fish you are targetting in your particular venue pick up and drop your bait immediately. The only way to know this is to don scuba gear and watch the fish at length for a considerable time to gauge your findings. So what is the answer? Pulling out stock photos of rigs with rings here, loops there, swivels on that bit is not the way to go, you are merely confusing the issue and making things way more complicated than it actually is. I will tell you my to answer the question of the thread and i will gladly hear your views if you think im talking rubbish..... Get the fish on a good bait that they have confidence in eating and a simple knotless knot will out catch anything that you have suggested here. But hey, thats just my opinion