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Thanks for all the input guys, I think the main point of this thread has got somewhat lost along the way, I've also got some rods that will do the job for now, like framey said I have to stick on budget for now, as I also want to keep a roof over my families head, As for mentors I have always received great advice on here and that usually boils down to location, keep it simple and use a decent bait and a rig you have confidence in, its too easy to get sucked down a rabbit hole and disappear into the abyss if you over complicate things and I try to stick to that

Try this for a budget https://rodhutchinson.co.uk/product-category/black-friday-weekend/ Personally, yes I prefer to use more expensive rods, having had Century rods for years, although I also got a set of RH The Ones at a very good price which I am currently using. I can build rods, rebuilt some of my Century Armalites and I built my stalking and bass rods. Building rods is a labour of love for me, but not always economic. It didn't help when my blank supplier who imported the blanks and guides I used from America sadly died. Some, but not all cheaper rods are awful. If the rrp is £50, how much are they made for? Considering the price of transport from the Far East, and the carbon used... Some higher quality carbons the Chinese are not allowed to use due to trade embargoes. For that reason I would prefer a better blank produced in Japan, UK or US

I agree, and stop calling me Shirley.