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now there is a great idea, we ask a question and you often get conflicting replies. to come back and give a positive response about which answer worked best not only gives more positive info to the forum but Kudos to the supplier of said info too. well done Richard

I can confirm this was the answer that helped me the most. When I do this and then pull as tight as I can, the hair sits perfectly on top of the shank, as desired! So simple, but it always is when you're told how Thank you !

same reason as he nails bream to a tree, he dont think!!!

good luck mate, I've tried a few over the years, the best I've come up with so far is similar to harpz, I have an avid restbite which is a proper lay flat bed and the same as harpz I've tightened the elastics as far as I can and I use a pillow for head support, what I was trying to achieve was my head/neck being in alignment with my spine when i'm lying on my side and for it to be firm with no sagging the no sagging is really important, I even considered trying to put wooden slats under the matress at one point. if we had a bedchair that didn't rely on an elasticated matress and was solid underneath with no sagging at all and a nice comfy matress on top, I reckon the company that made it would be quids in

I suffer from bad back and random bouts of syatica so I got a true flat wide boy bed and tightened the elastic right up to stop sagging and got myself a proper pillow and my back problems and shoulder pain have completely gone

My Nash indulgence 8 leg , this does not seem to sink far at all ,and is Extremely, Extremely comfortable when you lay on it , downside it weighs around 13 kilos.

Ye ive fished the big lake a couple of times not been on the small lake yet though

You wont go far wrong with a pair of ... Fox Micron M+ Bite Alarms at around £50 for a pair