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Nah you are being clear enough lol I was just adding to the comment you made about reading about boiling twice and I wouldn’t do it. Easiest way would be gun them out in sausages and use the wrong size table to roll them you get perfect dumbbells then

I think I might not have been clear enough lol, I don't want to boil them twice, I would just prefer to cut the sausage first when it's still a paste so I can boil it afterwards. So I can get a full skin on the baits, I would also like to keep them kinda cylindrical The main reason I don't want to boil them first and leave some unsealed is because of the Rudd, they would destroy them in minutes. I might some and treat them as pellets but the bulk I want to seal. I think if I am going to do it it's got to be easy, so i want to just mix, sausage, chop and boil, pillows might not be so bad but I would like to try and keep them dumbellish, so I am trying to think of a way to cut the sausages with minimal deformation.

As @framey says the only reason for round is they catapult or go out in the stick straight. Boiling the sausages and then cutting does allow a bit of extra attraction as the cut edges aren't 'sealed' skin. I used to use a knife years ago to cut my sausages to roll between my palms, but the Gardner rolling table stopped the need to do that. There is nothing wrong with 'pillows', rolling sausages and using the table to cut the sausages without rolling them, if anything its easy to do.

It certainly does hurt the pocket lol

Years ago I just used a knife to cut them and then roll between the palms. the only reason for round boilies is ease in a stick to get them out lol cant see any benefit in boiling twice personally

Billionaires?

Imagine if you do all the disciplines…

Still can’t decide if that saying is the correct way around or not location bait and presentation ?? there’s a future topic lol

Yeah best to not venture down that rabbit hole 🐰🕳️😂 Capitalism would have taken it in other ways. Like now if you want to get popcorn at the cinema it will cost you nearly £100 for a family movie. At least you can still look at your fishing stuff even if you don't have time to go.

Ages ago I decided to calculate my annual spend on carp fishing. I took into account tickets (of which I had a few back then), bait, tackle, petrol, France trip etc etc.... I had to stop counting the figure got so high. It was eye watering. I decided I didn't want to know! 100%😅

That sounds insane!!!

No boats allowed lol and yes it's 2 buckets a day, we found that if you weren't spodding you weren't catching. He will probably come back ill from it all again, missing meals, missing rest, up all night if it's night bites. We were lucky first trip it was day bites and we reeled in at 7pm for dinner and didn't put them back out till morning, think I only had the rods out on 2 nights. Some trips he's had it rocking to the point he's flipping 30s, 40s and mistakenly some 50s without doing pics simply because you can't keep up.

I had to work it out it was frying my brain lol, it's just over 20kgs a day of baiting, doesn't seem so excessive that way, but that's a lot of spodding. He must have arms like popeye,i would have to use a bait boat I think.

If it wasn't for fishing we would all be millionaires

Probably not checking mate but again I've not seen otters on it yet and they are blatant as anything - cannot be missed IMO, when they were on the medium lake I saw them straight away. I did see it stated that my lake has 250 fish in it when they were selling tickets in spring, that figure's gone straight back down to the 80-100 usually stated lol Prob lower than those figures too in actual fact

XXX Wafters, hard hookers, 2ltr Hemp Oil, 2ltr Bait booster and 25k hallibut pellets mixed sizes. Think the pellets were cheaper than going to the big boys as free delivery and the bulk suppliers are not. Was gonna buy 50k earlier in the year but the price with delivery put me right off tbh but can't be avoided forever as only got about 5k pellet left. 🤷‍♂️ This fishing lark doesn't half cost some money it seems never ending tbh

No it's a big van and that's a lot of weight, the guy who's van it is will take a 10th of that amount and catch barely anything but he's not serious at all whereas my mate will spod night and day and smash it if conditions are good, he's a machine when need is must. Travelling to Belgium this year in my car and taking 20k of boilies each that's it anything more is banned by me - buy pellets etc there if needed. The only place I would want to take 150k plus a week is for Parco, very few places are like that, although it's not what it was a few years ago.

I have been off work with the old Co vid this week. And I've been spending time looking at bait making, god knows why but there we are, I think it started with something about an electric caulking gun I saw, then I went full production mode, then I saw a comment saying "if you are making your own, the last thing you want to do is make them round" So I got to thinking what is the best way to cut paste sausages without them all going out of shape (like with a knife) has anyone used a pizza cutter for this task? I've seen the method where you boil the sausage first and then chop but I would like to boil after cutting if possible to seal the boilies if I can. I've developed a simple nut mix using AA Baits base mix with a couple of extras but keeping it simple. Probably won't save much in cash terms but I would have a fresher, better bait which might increase catch rate and be more attractive to the carps and different to most anglers on the bank with their round balls.

Oh yeah it would be a dream to have that sort of time for a trip, maybe one day Kev. I guess you get out what you put into it, In my head that amount of bait doesn't even fit in a van 😂

They'll go for the easiest target for maximum reward so the birdlife may well be doing you a favour mate. Interestingly, at Denton you'd tend to only get a couple of carp taken in winter as they're all sat in the middle 250 yards from the nearest bank - difficult for Mr Otter to take. Then, in spring when carp start to gather for spawning in the shallows the otters would be back and you'd see a flurry of kills. Easy pickings innit. The issue where you are is the island on the big lake..... the bailiffs used to go over there and find corpse after corpse after corpse 😔. Not sure if they still check?

Indeed mate lots of prep time and fairly costly granted - final tally 340k including liquids, but this is Parco and as he's been about 10 times prob knows it better than anyone tbh I'd love a 2 week trip somewhere - proper chilled with the security of a 2nd week should the first be rubbish.

That seems a lot still and a lot of preperation. Must have cost a small fortune.

Our lake has had them on, and in winter coots were the main diet. We rarely lost swans, but did find occasional pike were on the diet. There were a couple of carp with damaged tails. Again the lake is open access, and unable to be fenced.

Wishful thinking then, some of ours have obviously managed to avoid them for decades but show the signs (eaten faces the lot, other old ones are mint still), they've open access to the site but I've only seen them on one lake so far but the swan deaths were on my lake every spring. Is it then partly down to having big numbers of swans and geese also on the menu? The lakes have always been there and otters have never wiped the fish out- something about the lakes makes it difficult some how - no idea really they obviously get some. Up at Bluebell they swim past without a care in the world, packed out lake - lots of dogs, no worries until my man turns up to move them on! 👍

" A granddaughter who pinched and ate a couple of chunks of luncheon meat dusted in turmeric and garam masala... " . No wonder that you didn't catch any Chub if your Granddaughter is eating your bait ! . Maybe Carp.com could club together and buy Bromeswell 😁