stevew1805 Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 As a novice I am practising tying knots. But what I am wondering is: What is the basic set of knots I must master to get going with my carp career? Many thanks in advance. Quote
zander1 Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 Knot less knot hair rig, Grinner Knot, Figure of eight knot These will form the basics of your fishing and subsequent set-ups Have a browse Through the Rig tying stickies as there will be explanations and diagrams of them there Tight Lines mate. Quote
stevew1805 Posted January 22, 2009 Author Report Posted January 22, 2009 Knot less knot hair rig, Grinner Knot, Figure of eight knot These will form the basics of your fishing and subsequent set-ups Have a browse Through the Rig tying stickies as there will be explanations and diagrams of them there Tight Lines mate. Thanks Zander - I am going out for the first time in about 10 days, but I have plenty of time to master those three puppies. Many thanks for your help Quote
krs1 Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 the only knot you really need to know is the bloodknot! Quote
stevew1805 Posted January 22, 2009 Author Report Posted January 22, 2009 the only knot you really need to know is the bloodknot! Why is that Krs? Quote
bluebirdjones Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 the only knot you really need to know is the bloodknot! Why is that Krs? I use the bloodknot for attaching the mainline or end of rigs to swivels. I always blob the end with a lighter just in case. Quote
nash_gadgeteer Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 I disagree, a bloodknot is not the best knot for the majority of lines due to it causing damage as it tightens. I recommend the palomar knot is much better. The other knots have already been mentioned - Figure of eight / Knotless Knot etc. Top tip - Make sure you always lubricate you knot with saliva before pulling fully tight to ensure no friction damage is caused to the line. Quote
Guest andypalf Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 Hi Steve. I have been using the grinner for years and very happy with it. But take a little extra time when pulling it down tight. As nash pointed out...lubricate it with a bit of split and you should get a nice knot. For ease of use the palomer takes some beating and I've found myself using it a lot more these days. Quote
stevew1805 Posted January 22, 2009 Author Report Posted January 22, 2009 Thanks boys. I guess I need to go and get knotted now Joking aside, you guys are helping me out no end. I am going out for the first time soon with an experienced guy, but all this background and info is invaluable. Thank goodness for the internet and good hearted fellow anglers. Quote
sharpy86 Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 I disagree, a bloodknot is not the best knot for the majority of lines due to it causing damage as it tightens. I recommend the palomar knot is much better. The other knots have already been mentioned - Figure of eight / Knotless Knot etc. Top tip - Make sure you always lubricate you knot with saliva before pulling fully tight to ensure no friction damage is caused to the line. Certainly agree with this... The palomar knot is my favorite. Very easy to do, and doesn't seem to cause damage to the line, like some of the others do - even when wet! Figure of eight knot for loops on the end of hooklength. And the occasional grinner chucked in for good measure Quote
moorsey Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 For main line or hook link to swivel "palomar knot" For tying hook with hair rig "knotless knot" or "dumhoff knot" For tying shock leader to main line "albright knot" If you must use lead core for heli rigs "keith moors knot" The blood knot can strangle itself and thereby weaken the line so is best avoided. Quote
dave_askew Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 i use blood knot tied properly and neatly e.g not tieing it half way up the line then bringing it back to the eye causeing it to curl for me is always the best knot Quote
jemsue5 Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 Blood knots are a stragulation knot and far weaker than a palomar or a well tied grinner. Quote
moorsey Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 Blood knots are a stragulation knot and far weaker than a palomar or a well tied grinner. Hi Jez. That's what I was trying to underline. With the strain from a big fit fish the bloodknot can become the weakest point in the line. Quote
zander1 Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 I don't trust The blood knot, Forgot to mention the Palomar, i use the grinner more tho but they are easily the better knot choices for swivels and looped leaders etc to me the Palomar seems to be stronger than a grinner in bristle filament but the grinner to me seems alot more reliable in mono. In Braid and coated braid they seem to be as good as each other Quote
jonezy Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 Needle knot if you're intending to use leadcore. Don't waste your time with that splicing faff. Quote
moorsey Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 Needle knot if you're intending to use leadcore. Don't waste your time with that splicing faff. I don't know why but I still think that the "keith moors knot" is better then the needle knot. Quote
salokcinnodrog Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 From the Rig Tying Stickies, this link gives another link to "animated " knots with some instructions on tying them. They can be slowed down for idiots like me https://forum.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=25551 There is also another Sticky in that section that 666 put up Quote
levigsp Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 It does not matter what knots you use,so long as you have the safety word. sorry wrong forum. Quote
stevew1805 Posted January 23, 2009 Author Report Posted January 23, 2009 Thanks for the link, and thanks to everyone for all this excellent advice. I am grateful. Steve Quote
levigsp Posted January 23, 2009 Report Posted January 23, 2009 oh dear Im very supprized Nick never noticed the slip,knowing him Quote
salokcinnodrog Posted January 23, 2009 Report Posted January 23, 2009 oh dear Im very supprized Nick never noticed the slip,knowing him Cos I use a double granny knot tied with a special loop and pulled down tight dry JOKING! Not noticed much recently, as Frank knows had other things on my mind I nearly always use the Uni knot, mainline and braid or for loops the knot on the kryston packaging. For some stupid reason I can't get my head round the Palomar knot Quote
bluebirdjones Posted January 23, 2009 Report Posted January 23, 2009 I need to learn some more knots. The blood knot is the only one I can get to bed down nicely and my thinking is a well tied blood knot has got to be better than a badly tied grinner or palomar knot Quote
moorsey Posted January 23, 2009 Report Posted January 23, 2009 I need to learn some more knots. The blood knot is the only one I can get to bed down nicely and my thinking is a well tied blood knot has got to be better than a badly tied grinner or palomar knot Funnily enough you could be wrong. I did a lot of tests with the palomar knot and even tied quickly (it's never going to be the neatest knot) I found that the hook link broke at the knotless knot more often than at the palomar. Quote
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