Blackspot Hookbaits

[Asterman]

Hi guys

 

I hope that you are all well. Black spot Hookbaits seem to be getting a lot of very good press and are catching some really good fish home and abroad. Carl Pettit is the owner/ designer of these baits is a very competant angler and really knows his stuff. Has anyone had success with his bottom baits or pop ups since their release and are willing to share your results, views on these?

 

Have a great weekend.

[salokcinnodrog]

Never heard of them!

 

Not being funny, but 'getting good press'; advertising now is more dissipated as social media takes over. 

I used to be very up with knowing bait companies, but when even long time companies are falling by the wayside.

 

I keep making this point, if you have a cake of 30centimetres across, with 5 companies taking a piece, each has a decent slice.

Now the same cake with 10 companies taking a piece, the slice is smaller.

That is what is happening to the tackle and bait trade.

[Asterman]

They are only a small company, a one man band actually, so i guess his marketing is very low/small scale and targeted. I do follow on Face ache and Instagram. Caught some real big fish from Gigantica, loads from Wraysbury, Wingham etc. 

 

[OldBoy]

As @salokcinnodrog said, never heard of them, but tbh have zero interest in yet another person selling £20 plus tubs of hookbaits 😂

One thing the bloke might have to really take into account is that these Tubs seem to be popping up - no pun inteaded - so many times now.

As for catch reports, I very much doubt anyone on here has been to Gigantica 😂, Wraysbury.... etc etc

@greekskii, you might choke on your keyboard, but have to say a certain bait bloke, once again I am not a Troll, has deff got the market for this stuff sown up as far as I can see, shame he never actually did a book about his early days carp fishing. I would have bought it 👍

So @Asterman, not sure if you are on here to promote the stuff, guessing you won't get much luck tbh?

 

[Asterman]

Are we ok to mention bait companies? I guess it is a busy market out there. Gone are the days when it was only half a dozen bait companies to choose from. Every man and his dog seems to be producing something bait related.

[salokcinnodrog]

1 hour ago, Asterman said:

Are we ok to mention bait companies? I guess it is a busy market out there. Gone are the days when it was only half a dozen bait companies to choose from. Every man and his dog seems to be producing something bait related.

And therein lies much of the problem.

Big bait companies have had an advantage; if I buy a kilo of semolina it's around £1.80, if a big bait company buys a tonne of semolina it will work out at a lot less per kilo, around £920 per tonne, so £0.90 per kilo. Do the same with every bait ingredient and my homemade bait costs double the price to produce. 

Billy one man bait company in his garage or shed, won't be buying fishmeal, semolina, liver powder or maize by the tonne! As a result his prices will be more than a big company.

The days of Bill Cottam expanding from his (parents) garage to a large industrial unit are long gone.

Bait and boilies specifically is a 'busy' market, and it seems anglers don't necessarily understand it, from the bait itself, to using it, and even the difference in cost of buying it from tackle shops or direct.

Nutrabaits, Mainline, Nash Baits, CC Moore and others had a recommendation on food baits, and a recommendation on attractor baits (originally shelf lifes).

Feed the food bait, continuously, prebait, and the carp will accept it and take it comfortably. Good results will follow.

Attractor baits, use as that, don't fire in loads, maybe a few freebies around the hookbait, use the few to attract the carp to try the hookbait.

Then along came the published 'Korda' method, (used earlier but Danny Fairbrass did well writing about it), put in plenty of pellets, and spod mix and get the carp feeding on that. 

At the same time we had the mega high attract hookbait, the single pop-up that got a take, or not.

Fishing moves on and backwards, now we are using high attract baits, maybe with added hydrolysates, liquid glugs over spod mix in the hope that the fish pick it up first.

The food bait is 'gone' for various reasons, cost of ingredients rising, becoming harder or impossible to get hold of and even big bait companies changing direction or disappearing.

Lots of little bait companies pop-up, disappoint or disappear. They are able to charge silly money for baits because fewer anglers have loyalty to a company anymore.

 

[framey]

Put this post on the “ other “ forum haha

dare ya…

Only heard of them through another forum.

 

 

its easy to produce a bait that fish will pick up as carp will put anything in their mouth to try it.

watch them in a tank.

its marketing that sells now..

 

[Asterman]

1 hour ago, framey said:

 

 

 

its easy to produce a bait that fish will pick up as carp will put anything in their mouth to try it.

watch them in a tank.

its marketing that sells now..

 

I would hazard a guess that this above may be met with as much venom from some too? I double dare you. lol

[salokcinnodrog]

4 hours ago, framey said:

Put this post on the “ other “ forum haha

dare ya…

Only heard of them through another forum.

 

 

its easy to produce a bait that fish will pick up as carp will put anything in their mouth to try it.

watch them in a tank.

its marketing that sells now..

 

 

2 hours ago, Asterman said:

I would hazard a guess that this above may be met with as much venom from some too? I double dare you. lol

Rod Hutchinson and Ken Townley have both made the point, coat a stone in a sweet flavour and it will be picked up, it is down to the rig whether you hook it or not.

Carp don't have hands, to inspect an item physically they have to take it into their mouth.

An item may taste like food, that can possibly be tested before they eat it, but to physically check hardness, they have to suck it in, or pick it up.

A hard food item has to be taken to the back of the mouth to be crushed by the pharyngeal teeth, where smaller or softer items are often passed straight through the mouth, no additional crushing; although how a carp can consume a whole swan mussel and pass it through and out, and the flesh in the shell is eaten I don't know.

Constant sucking and blowing, intake and ejection whether the food is attached to hook or not. No end of videos on YouTube or whatever channel you watch on showing that, be it boilies, maggots, sweetcorn or other particles.

I have mentioned the 'super' high attract pop-ups, there are some attractors or flavours that almost force the take; N-butyric acid was one, Bromelain, (look up pineapple-n-butyric as a pop-up), but there are other attractors that at higher than standard levels will work in attractor baits, or in low levels in food baits. Incidentally, the high attractor level may cause the low level food bait to fail or blow. The attractor becomes a source of danger, and while carp don't think, continued hooking on the same flavour will get them to avoid it, for a period of time or permanently, or to inspect it carefully, at which point we have to look at the rigs again.

Other attractors, may be a mix of enzymes or amino acids, could be flavours, chemical or natural, could even be something as simple as sweeteners like sacharrin. Sacharrin did cause cancers in tests on animals, but in the low levels we use, have not been considered a risk in humans.

I have mentioned an attractor blend I love, Garlic Spice. Stinks, but catches.