Braid or mono for marker / spod

[mrmud]

Hey all.

I've been having issues with the braid on my marker / spod rod cracking off.

It might be down to inexperience or could be down to the preloaded braid on my sonik herox.

I was wondering what everyone else is using as there is stretch in mono which might help stop it breaking. 

Braid or mono with a leader

Every 10 spods (using micro dot sod) or so I'd have to fish the spod back out the water and if I chuck out more than a 1oz marker lead if breaks as soon as it hits the clip

[salokcinnodrog]

1 minute ago, mrmud said:

Hey all.

I've been having issues with the braid on my marker / spod rod cracking off.

It might be down to inexperience or could be down to the preloaded braid on my sonik herox.

I was wondering what everyone else is using as there is stretch in mono which might help stop it breaking. 

Braid or mono with a leader

Every 10 spods (using micro dot sod) or so I'd have to fish the spod back out the water and if I chuck out more than a 1oz marker lead if breaks as soon as it hits the clip

Oh joys!

If you have a combined spod and marker rod then braid is the answer, you can't avoid it as you need the feel for leading or marker float work. 

For that I use 0.36mm 50lb Angryfish braid, to a 40lb Greased Weasel (mono)  leader.

Point of note, so many people say you don't need a leader, but I regularly recover spods, Spombs and marker floats attached to just a braid knot which has cracked off. It is caused by braid having zero stretch as it hits the clip, and normally breaking where the braid has been tightened down, or right at the clip.

I learnt that lesson myself, so always stick with the leader.

Other thing is I also like my fingers as braid can cut very badly if you catch them on a miscast.

 

If I need to leave a marker float in place and bait up to it, then my actual Spod rod is fished with mono to leader. Mono has stretch, so you can get away with 15lb mono to the same leader, or even 30lb Amnesia.

[mrmud]

1 hour ago, salokcinnodrog said:

Oh joys!

If you have a combined spod and marker rod then braid is the answer, you can't avoid it as you need the feel for leading or marker float work. 

For that I use 0.36mm 50lb Angryfish braid, to a 40lb Greased Weasel (mono)  leader.

Point of note, so many people say you don't need a leader, but I regularly recover spods, Spombs and marker floats attached to just a braid knot which has cracked off. It is caused by braid having zero stretch as it hits the clip, and normally breaking where the braid has been tightened down, or right at the clip.

I learnt that lesson myself, so always stick with the leader.

Other thing is I also like my fingers as braid can cut very badly if you catch them on a miscast.

 

If I need to leave a marker float in place and bait up to it, then my actual Spod rod is fished with mono to leader. Mono has stretch, so you can get away with 15lb mono to the same leader, or even 30lb Amnesia.

Thanks.

I suppose the leader helps absorb some of the shock. It's always broke at the clip.

Last time I was out I landed up giving up and throwing it all in the margins and watching the pike trash all the roach right under my rod tip. Kept me entertained whilst busy blanking

[framey]

44 minutes ago, mrmud said:

Thanks.

I suppose the leader helps absorb some of the shock. It's always broke at the clip.

Last time I was out I landed up giving up and throwing it all in the margins and watching the pike trash all the roach right under my rod tip. Kept me entertained whilst busy blanking

Check your clip for damage also 

[Higham1987]

I was doing 5 turn back to back grinner knot...30lb Korda Basix Spod braid to 50lb Arma Kord.

It was the clip doing all the damage on my Sonik Reel, 

 

 

[yonny]

15 hours ago, mrmud said:

if I chuck out more than a 1oz marker lead if breaks as soon as it hits the clip

In that case it's the braid that's dodgy.

I've used all sorts of combinations in the past and I now just use 40lb braid straight through. Dead easy, no issues.

[mrmud]

On 11/11/2024 at 22:20, framey said:

Check your clip for damage also 

Possible as thats where it's always broke. Not had it long and only used a handful of times

On 12/11/2024 at 08:36, Higham1987 said:

It was the clip doing all the damage on my Sonik Reel, 

Will have to take it down the field and have a few casts. Hopefully it's just a combination of cheap preloaded braid and user error. Maybe hitting the clip to hard. Was only casting 7 wraps

 

[framey]

Stick 50 yards or so of mono or AN other braid and try it again doing what you do now.

Chuck it out , wind it in and check the line where you have it around the clip.

 

 

sometimes if you wrap the braid around the clip a couple of times it helps to cushion the blow.

 

[mrmud]

Would I be better off using something as a backing line to fill the spool abit as it takes 600m of line depending on thickness and 600m spools of braid are abut pricey

[framey]

Just now, mrmud said:

Would I be better off using something as a backing line to fill the spool abit as it takes 600m of line depending on thickness and 600m spools of braid are abut pricey

Yep 

or use the stinky winky braid you already have on it lol

[mrmud]

2 minutes ago, framey said:

Stick 50 yards or so of mono or AN other braid and try it again doing what you do now.

Chuck it out , wind it in and check the line where you have it around the clip.

 

 

sometimes if you wrap the braid around the clip a couple of times it helps to cushion the blow.

 

I was only wrapping it once but have read to wrap it around clip 2 or 3 times

[mrmud]

Looks like the line clips are poorly designed if you ask me. I've sat here and snapped the braid at the clip with just a few pulls and tried the same with my mono on my other spools and they're getting damaged n finally snapping( 1 is loaded with 20lb nash bullet and the other 2 loaded with 18lb syncro xt )

[mrmud]

If I wrap the mono like first image it snaps after a few pulls

but if I wrap it like the second image it seems to withstand alot more abuse but still damages the line

[mrmud]

3 hours ago, framey said:

Yep 

or use the stinky winky braid you already have on it lol

Supposed to be 30lb hypa-vis. It defo hypa something 🤬

[framey]

I would say you have found the fault 

if you speak to Weston developments they sell a line clip you may be able to use.

but they would double the value of your reel

 

on the old fashioned shark tooth v shaped line clip you inserted a piece of marker elastic into the clip first and it protected  the line

try that as a first fix.

Not sure if John Robert’s still sell a line clip device 

I will have a look

 

[salokcinnodrog]

3 hours ago, mrmud said:

Would I be better off using something as a backing line to fill the spool abit as it takes 600m of line depending on thickness and 600m spools of braid are abut pricey

 

3 hours ago, mrmud said:

I was only wrapping it once but have read to wrap it around clip 2 or 3 times

 

3 hours ago, framey said:

sometimes if you wrap the braid around the clip a couple of times it helps to cushion the blow.

 

As you put the braid on the reel put a twist of power gum under the clip.

So power gum under the clip, around the spool and knotted on the opposite side. Then cover it over by reeling the braid onto the spool.

That should help protect the braid from clip damage.

 

 

5 minutes ago, framey said:

I would say you have found the fault 

if you speak to Weston developments they sell a line clip you may be able to use.

but they would double the value of your reel

 

on the old fashioned shark tooth v shaped line clip you inserted a piece of marker elastic into the clip first and it protected  the line

try that as a first fix.

Not sure if John Robert’s still sell a line clip device 

I will have a look

 

The original sharks tooth line clips were better than the circular metal ones.

[yonny]

11 hours ago, mrmud said:

If I wrap the mono like first image it snaps after a few pulls

That's just bizarre. Is there an obvious burr or sharp edge on the clip? It looks fine in the photos.

[elmoputney]

I had a sonik spod reel, the factory braid was horrible it also kept snapping, I changed it for some 35lb spider braid, then the reel seized and wouldn't turn, if you can just rub the back of the line clip with a bit of fine sandpaper that should get rid of the burr. 

 

[mrmud]

On 13/11/2024 at 21:16, salokcinnodrog said:

That should help protect the braid from clip damage.

Think on most it might help but these have pretty crisp edges.

15 hours ago, yonny said:

That's just bizarre. Is there an obvious burr or sharp edge on the clip? It looks fine in the photos.

The bevel on the clip is pretty sharp and with the spool where the line is near the clip. I ran a plastic card over it and look how it cut into that

3 hours ago, elmoputney said:

I had a sonik spod reel, the factory braid was horrible it also kept snapping, I changed it for some 35lb spider braid, then the reel seized and wouldn't turn, if you can just rub the back of the line clip with a bit of fine sandpaper that should get rid of the burr. 

 

They're going back I think. I got maker elastic so can manage with that for now(might not be quite as accurate)

They got a years warranty just gotta get Christmas out of the way(kids to buy pressies for) as I like winter fishing and don't want to be without reels until all the refund rubbish is sorted(gave my old ones away to someone wanting to start out).

Bites might be few n far between but alot less anglers out there since most pack up until spring.

Emailed sonik to see they're response and they just told me to send them back to where I bought them so no help at all.

[elmoputney]

I would get your money back tbh and buy a different reel, okuma do a spod reel for similar money  

[yonny]

7 hours ago, mrmud said:

Emailed sonik to see they're response and they just told me to send them back to where I bought them so no help at all.

That's correct mate, your 'contract' is with the shop you bought them from.

Get rid mate, send them back.

[salokcinnodrog]

9 hours ago, mrmud said:

Emailed sonik to see they're response and they just told me to send them back to where I bought them so no help at all.

Your contract is with the place you purchased them from.

As not fit for purpose, I would be getting a refund and something by a different manufacturer.

 

[framey]

Consumer rights act 2015

Goods must be

A fit for purpose.

B last a reasonable length of time

C be of reasonable quality

take them back.

 

to be fair to sonik 

they said the right thing as your contract is with the shop as Yonny correctly said.

Assuming you bought from a uk shop?

the only time you go direct to a manufacturer is if you buy direct from them.

[Higham1987]

10 hours ago, mrmud said:

Think on most it might help but these have pretty crisp edges.

The bevel on the clip is pretty sharp and with the spool where the line is near the clip. I ran a plastic card over it and look how it cut into that

They're going back I think. I got maker elastic so can manage with that for now(might not be quite as accurate)

They got a years warranty just gotta get Christmas out of the way(kids to buy pressies for) as I like winter fishing and don't want to be without reels until all the refund rubbish is sorted(gave my old ones away to someone wanting to start out).

Bites might be few n far between but alot less anglers out there since most pack up until spring.

Emailed sonik to see they're response and they just told me to send them back to where I bought them so no help at all.

Sonik "Used" to replace faulty goods, but when people were buying 2nd hand and trying to get new replacements, they cottoned on and started to go through the Shops people bought from, then the Shop would send back to them.

Jackie at Customer Servies & Marrin Ford on Products they were awesome on products and at the Shows.

[mrmud]

Yeah from UK but online as there's nowhere near me to buy carp stuff, only the odd bit of cheap terminal tackle locally.

They're defo going back. Maybe black Friday deal might have something at a nice price. I'll just chop a few lines off the kids Christmas lists lol

Edited November 15 by mrmud