JB baits from Jealousy in carp fishing! Seriously is it this bad ?

[Danny Hearn]

10 hours ago, Carpbell3 said:

Of course I kept it classy ang got a john baker hoody.

off topic but do you have any experience with John baker baits? 
 

im loyal to my bait guy but as the years have gone on it’s getting harder and harder to even put in an order with him due to his health conditions. I find myself buying 40 kg at a time these days just to be safe which ain’t really a problem as I have a dedicated freezer for bait and bbq meat for my fishing trips 😊.

but I have been watching alot of John bakers YouTube vids and am definitely interested in giving making my own a go so if the time does suddenly come where I can no longer get the only bait I have used since I started back at fishing 3-4 years ago I have something else to fall back on that I will be confident in 
 

if you have experience with it let me know I would like to ask a few questions.

anyone else reading have experience feel free to get involved.

[framey]

20 minutes ago, Danny Hearn said:

off topic but do you have any experience with John baker baits? 
 

im loyal to my bait guy but as the years have gone on it’s getting harder and harder to even put in an order with him due to his health conditions. I find myself buying 40 kg at a time these days just to be safe which ain’t really a problem as I have a dedicated freezer for bait and bbq meat for my fishing trips 😊.

but I have been watching alot of John bakers YouTube vids and am definitely interested in giving making my own a go so if the time does suddenly come where I can no longer get the only bait I have used since I started back at fishing 3-4 years ago I have something else to fall back on that I will be confident in 
 

if you have experience with it let me know I would like to ask a few questions.

anyone else reading have experience feel free to get involved.

Have you tried Spencer’s bait from aqua bait in potters bar?
Its doing very well in the Lea valley

[Carpbell3]

35 minutes ago, Danny Hearn said:

off topic but do you have any experience with John baker baits? 
 

im loyal to my bait guy but as the years have gone on it’s getting harder and harder to even put in an order with him due to his health conditions. I find myself buying 40 kg at a time these days just to be safe which ain’t really a problem as I have a dedicated freezer for bait and bbq meat for my fishing trips 😊.

but I have been watching alot of John bakers YouTube vids and am definitely interested in giving making my own a go so if the time does suddenly come where I can no longer get the only bait I have used since I started back at fishing 3-4 years ago I have something else to fall back on that I will be confident in 
 

if you have experience with it let me know I would like to ask a few questions.

anyone else reading have experience feel free to get involved.

Yea that milk and honey is real easy to roll I use his flavours but the base mixes are a bit pricey to buy in serious amounts, they do make a real good paste I bag of mix lasts ages if you just use it for paste.

The results with the TM1 flavour were real good I think he must grind the birdfeed some, more as the mixes are very fine.

[Danny Hearn]

2 hours ago, framey said:

Have you tried Spencer’s bait from aqua bait in potters bar?
Its doing very well in the Lea valley

 No I haven’t tried any other bait apart from what I buy ever since I started back at carp fishing 3/4 years ago.

potters bar only 5 mins from me. Lea valley will be where I will be focusing on later this year, who knows maybe earlier if I manage to bag my target fish from hook lake but if not I will be there from around the start of may to start of September so that’s funny you have said that. unless you remember my comment on the dogs thread where I will be taking my big boy to guard me and let me sleep at night lol I think I said I would be fishing in the Lea valley. I have heard scary stories from people about fishing Lea valley.
 

To be completely honest with you I have been writing out reply’s for about 3 hours and keep deleting them. 
 

I am trying to learn how to keep my reply’s short and sweet but I ain’t doing too well at  it 🤪. I work nights so I’m always up late full of energy and I just end up annoying most people trying to sleep. 
 

If it’s of any interest to you I will message you and explain to you why Spencer’s bait is scary to me. Admittedly I don’t know him. But with John baker I was thinking I could ask him about the nutritional value of his bait and maybe pay more to up it if I could and if he says it would still work well.

for me bait quality is everything. A skilled experienced angler with knowledge of watercraft etc may not need a quality bait but sadly that’s not me and so far in my carp fishing adventures I believe much of my success is from sticking with a high quality bait prepping it well and applying it regularly and dropping in when conditions are right. 
 

I’m so bad at keeping my reply’s short and sweet. I’m trying though 

thanks 
 

 

 

[Danny Hearn]

14 hours ago, Carpbell3 said:

Yea that milk and honey is real easy to roll I use his flavours but the base mixes are a bit pricey to buy in serious amounts, they do make a real good paste I bag of mix lasts ages if you just use it for paste.

The results with the TM1 flavour were real good I think he must grind the birdfeed some, more as the mixes are very fine.

What’s pricey ? Could you tell me roughly what a kilo would cost to make ? 
 

thanks for your reply 

 

14 hours ago, salokcinnodrog said:

the bait bit is now there

 

So everyone rates this bait yeah ? 
 

 

[emmcee]

4 hours ago, Danny Hearn said:

 

 

If it’s of any interest to you I will message you and explain to you why Spencer’s bait is scary to me. Admittedly I don’t know him. But with John baker I was thinking I could ask him about the nutritional value of his bait and maybe pay more to up it if I could and if he says it would still work well.

 

 

 

 

I'm guessing he will only recommend his own liquid additives to enhance nutritional values in his bait, thats if they need it as his base mixes and recipes are on point already. Most of, if not all  his base mixes have recommended recipes. Adding stuff for the sake of it can have a negative effect on bait and also on your pocket, sometimes less is more.

I've used his stuff in the past and caught on it. 

[framey]

6 hours ago, Danny Hearn said:

 No I haven’t tried any other bait apart from what I buy ever since I started back at carp fishing 3/4 years ago.

potters bar only 5 mins from me. Lea valley will be where I will be focusing on later this year, who knows maybe earlier if I manage to bag my target fish from hook lake but if not I will be there from around the start of may to start of September so that’s funny you have said that. unless you remember my comment on the dogs thread where I will be taking my big boy to guard me and let me sleep at night lol I think I said I would be fishing in the Lea valley. I have heard scary stories from people about fishing Lea valley.
 

To be completely honest with you I have been writing out reply’s for about 3 hours and keep deleting them. 
 

I am trying to learn how to keep my reply’s short and sweet but I ain’t doing too well at  it 🤪. I work nights so I’m always up late full of energy and I just end up annoying most people trying to sleep. 
 

If it’s of any interest to you I will message you and explain to you why Spencer’s bait is scary to me. Admittedly I don’t know him. But with John baker I was thinking I could ask him about the nutritional value of his bait and maybe pay more to up it if I could and if he says it would still work well.

for me bait quality is everything. A skilled experienced angler with knowledge of watercraft etc may not need a quality bait but sadly that’s not me and so far in my carp fishing adventures I believe much of my success is from sticking with a high quality bait prepping it well and applying it regularly and dropping in when conditions are right. 
 

I’m so bad at keeping my reply’s short and sweet. I’m trying though 

thanks 
 

 

 

Course you can message 

[Carpbell3]

7 hours ago, Danny Hearn said:

What’s pricey ? Could you tell me roughly what a kilo would cost to make ? 
 

thanks for your reply 

A kilo of dry mix is 10 quid 70 for five kilo plus his flavours are twice the price of other brands but they are very clean and natural smelling.

You can get some real good base mixes for around 6 quid a kilo.

[salokcinnodrog]

12 hours ago, emmcee said:

I'm guessing he will only recommend his own liquid additives to enhance nutritional values in his bait, thats if they need it as his base mixes and recipes are on point already. Most of, if not all  his base mixes have recommended recipes. Adding stuff for the sake of it can have a negative effect on bait and also on your pocket, sometimes less is more.

I've used his stuff in the past and caught on it. 

 

9 hours ago, Carpbell3 said:

A kilo of dry mix is 10 quid 70 for five kilo plus his flavours are twice the price of other brands but they are very clean and natural smelling.

You can get some real good base mixes for around 6 quid a kilo.

When I've bought base mixes in the past I have tended to use flavours from the same brand, although there are exceptions.

@emmcee's point about adding extra bits and pieces is a valid point, but some mixes can be improved upon.

Years ago I was on Nutrabaits The Biollix, the bait was designed as a 'stand alone' base mix needing no additions, and it caught (one time British Record Carp), although I had a couple of essential oil and flavour combinations that went well with the Multimino PPC I added.

25ml Multimino, Eucalyptus EO and Cherry Nutrafruit or 25ml Multimino, Cinnamon EO and Peach Nutrafruit, both at the lowest level of the flavour and EO to 4 eggs.

Those basic additions worked.

 

Nutrabaits Trigga I did tweak with a couple of extra ingredients: Betaine HCl, Green Lipped Mussel Extract, Sweet Cajouser and Liver Elite added to 30ml of the Trigga liquid and 4 eggs. The basic mix and liquid worked, but the additions improved it and gave it my own twist. @brucelait and I really did well on it, I caught on almost every trip. I lost count of the fish I caught on it, with baiting around a kilo a time every week when I left.

I have had a look at John Bakers website, although I've not used his baits or flavours myself.

There is a bit on the homepage that might interest:

Welcome to John Baker Specialist Baits

 

John Baker has been creating specialist carp bait since 1978.  Our advanced base mixes and bespoke flavours can be used in total confidence for carp and barbel. We like to encourage customers to personalise their own recipes and we are always on hand with help and advice for all aspects of bait design and tactics. We firmly believe that really good bait is one of the last remaining edges in the field of specialist angling.