Kamakura hooks

[commonly]

Just seen someone I'd regard as a top angler. He's raving about these new hooks, chemically sharpened beyond any file. Reckons a regular night he'd have 3-4 fish, done 12 the other night!!! 

Now I'd say this time of year you may get another couple, but that number is impressive & worth switching for an improved catch rate. Like he said it made him feel like he'd been getting done before. 

https://www.tackleuk.co.uk/SiteAssets/Products/800-800/fhbprxdg636719313013867630.jpg

[yonny]

They're not chemically sharpened buddy, they are mechanically sharpened. They've designed a machine that orientates and grinds the point. See my comments in my most recent catch report, I'm reasonable impressed with them. They still need work with the file out of the packet imo, but they are very sharp compared to 'normal' hooks.

21 hours ago, commonly said:

Like he said it made him feel like he'd been getting done before. 

I've been sharpening hooks for years and it amazes my how many guys don't do it. In an age where there are hardly any real edges left, hook sharpening is a HUGE edge!! Anyone that doesn't realise a sharper hook will catch more fish should give up fishing imo!!!!

[commonly]

I've been doing it for the last 3 years & will select only the sharpest one's from the pack to begin with. Bin the blunt one's. 

Thanks for your feedback., nice to hear someone else's opinion. I was only going on what I'd been told. They are a few quid dearer but if it gives me an edge, then I'm on it. 

[commonly]

it amazes my how many guys don't do it.

I've shown a few of my mates the results of a few strokes a file will make and they still just tie up with hooks straight out of the pack! You can lead a horse to water! 

[yonny]

25 minutes ago, commonly said:

They are a few quid dearer but if it gives me an edge, then I'm on it. 

You still need to sharpen them from the sides (imo) to get them looking good from above, but the machine sharpening from above is very, very consistent. In fact I couldn't find one in the pack that didn't look almost perfect from the side!

They are exactly the same hooks as their standard ones, the only difference is this machine sharpening process, therefore all the extra couple of quid saves you is the time it takes to sharpen them yourself. I'm more than happy with that as after years and years of sharpening, I just cannot be bothered any more. I'd rather buy sharpened hooks and finish them off myself in less than a minute than spend 5 minutes getting a standard hook sharpened perfectly myself.

I really should have taken photos of the hook holds I'm getting on the Kranks.... they're literally text-book perfect hook holds!

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Ive never sharpened a hook yet...But DEFFO start doing...what NON CARP TAX tool would anyone recommend...

[yonny]

I know NGT do a cheapo hook vice. It looks just like the JAG one (which I have (and it's brilliant)), but not sure if it's the same quality bud.

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35 minutes ago, yonny said:

I know NGT do a cheapo hook vice. It looks just like the JAG one (which I have (and it's brilliant)), but not sure if it's the same quality bud.

1 of these Yonny ??   £3.75

[commonly]

If you can get the jag kit. Comes with 3 files, magnifying glass and a vice. Very useful if you have chubby fingers like me

And a pen to reduce rust time 

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[yonny]

26 minutes ago, Highy said:

1 of these Yonny ??   £3.75

One of these mate:

 

[yonny]

24 minutes ago, commonly said:

If you can get the jag kit. Comes with 3 files, magnifying glass and a vice. Very useful if you have chubby fingers like me

And a pen to reduce rust time 

That's what i use, although the pens aren't that effective imo. Specialist Sharpened Hooks do an Anti Rust Compound which is much better.

[commonly]

9 hours ago, yonny said:

 

I really should have taken photos of the hook holds I'm getting on the Kranks.... they're literally text-book perfect hook holds!

It's the only hook I use for that reason. I believe Tom dove had something to do with the development of it. The krank choddy is the same, near perfect hook holds.

I've only had 1hook pull in the past few years, every other bite has put a fish in the net. 

[yonny]

13 hours ago, commonly said:

I believe Tom dove had something to do with the development of it.

So they say........

It's just the old Owner C3 pattern that's been ripped off imo.

[commonly]

I wouldn't know, but take your word for it bud. 

Ive done well with them so gives me confidence. I'm going to order some size 6 Kamakuras. Snowman popped off the bottom is my usual hook bait. 

Whats your preferred size yonny? 

Do these count as bent hooks?? Not an issue for my ticket waters, but I have noticed some rules on various venues have a ban on bent hooks. 

[yonny]

I like the 4s buddy. Big fan of big hooks.

Nah, bent hook rules refer to hooks that are modified (bent) by hand.

[Old school]

On 01/10/2018 at 15:06, yonny said:

That's what i use, although the pens aren't that effective imo. Specialist Sharpened Hooks do an Anti Rust Compound which is much better.

would you say a normal file shape is better then the round one above?

[commonly]

I prefer the flat file, in the vice, it's more uniform the amount of strokes in a given direction. 

[Old school]

24 minutes ago, commonly said:

I prefer the flat file, in the vice, it's more uniform the amount of strokes in a given direction. 

could you post a link for one you would recommend?

[commonly]

This is what I have. Paid the same money in the tackle shop. 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/p/JAG-Hook-Sharpening-Kit-Carp-Fishing-Tackle/897871507?iid=152613105918&chn=ps&ul_ref=https%3A%2F%2Frover.ebay.com%2Frover%2F1%2F710-134428-41853-0%2F2%3Fmpre%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fwww.ebay.co.uk%252Fp%252FJAG-Hook-Sharpening-Kit-Carp-Fishing-Tackle%252F897871507%253Fiid%253D152613105918%2526chn%253Dps%26itemid%3D152613105918%26targetid%3D489915641474%26device%3Dm%26adtype%3Dpla%26googleloc%3D1006689%26poi%3D%26campaignid%3D1458126932%26adgroupid%3D55146917885%26rlsatarget%3Dpla-489915641474%26abcId%3D1139086%26merchantid%3D7441614%26gclid%3DCj0KCQjwrszdBRDWARIsAEEYhrfRLqBeQjNvYZwkRy_0WZie0uo6R2Y9pPwXJe5VDfIMJ-CzwfW57rMaAh3BEALw_wcB%26srcrot%3D710-134428-41853-0%26rvr_id%3D1689902506745%26rvr_ts%3D36621d081660a99c6231b2e6fff4e1fe

Sorry about the enormous link. Lol. No good with tech

[yonny]

12 hours ago, Old school said:

would you say a normal file shape is better then the round one above?

The round one has a recess you place the hook in so it sharpens from two planes buddy.

I prefer a flat one tbh, so you can work on 3 planes individual.

[commonly]

14 hours ago, yonny said:

I like the 4s buddy. Big fan of big hooks. 

Is that with bigger hook baits?

I normally have 18-20mm boilies, trimmed with pop up to required position 2-6"

[yonny]

1 hour ago, commonly said:

Is that with bigger hook baits?

Not necessarily. I don't mind an element of imbalance in my rigs, imo it can make them hard to eject. Therefore I'll often fish 11 mm and 13 mm on size 4's. I've been know to use size 2's (in other patterns) for 16 mm which is as big as I go with hookbaits. The smallest hooks I use are 6's.

[greekskii]

18 hours ago, Old school said:

could you post a link for one you would recommend?

Jewellers Eye

Fine diamond file

Vice

That's what I use on the cheap. always one for a bargain.

[commonly]

4 hours ago, yonny said:

Not necessarily. I don't mind an element of imbalance in my rigs, imo it can make them hard to eject. Therefore I'll often fish 11 mm and 13 mm on size 4's. I've been know to use size 2's (in other patterns) for 16 mm which is as big as I go with hookbaits. The smallest hooks I use are 6's.

From what I've seen you do very well and I'm guessing you have a good head of fish to go for on your water. 

My decent syndi is 9 acre with only 32 known fish. My targets are the 4-5 Redmire strain commons, all 30+. I'm intending to use Scopex Squid next time out, +  kamakura's😉. I only get the odd 48 sesh. I want to maximize my chances anyway possible. I've only had a small stocky so far, better than some but the weekly lads do 6-10 a season. I'm confident in the rig I caught on, but would like to try something new on the other rod(2 rod only) which I always try something different with. Which rig would you suggest, known spots in each swim & 3-4ft canadian everywhere else!!! 

[yonny]

7 minutes ago, commonly said:

From what I've seen you do very well and I'm guessing you have a good head of fish to go for on your water. 

My decent syndi is 9 acre with only 32 known fish.

That give you 3.5 fish per acre which is not easy. On my water I'm looking at closer to 5.5 fish per acre so still pretty tricky. It's easy enough to go on long blank runs, believe me I've been there.

9 minutes ago, commonly said:

I'm confident in the rig I caught on, but would like to try something new on the other rod(2 rod only) which I always try something different with. Which rig would you suggest, known spots in each swim & 3-4ft canadian everywhere else!!! 

If you're confident in the rig you caught on, use that imo mate. I would never choose a second rig for the sake of it. I would only ever choose a 2nd rig to suit a specific substrate, spot, or situation. Adapt to the angling situation, and what you can see with your own eyes.

First thing I would do in your situation is adapt to the weed - long chods or variations thereof smashed straight into it on one rod. Still very effective if done right!