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messing about on t' net i was amazed to come across this, excerpt from Cherry's Q&A page. when asked "why do you sell you terminal tackle at half the price of all the others" this was the answer,, That’s exactly our point. Why do others sell them for over a Fiver? It’s a known fact there are only a handful of quality hook makers in the world and as resellers we all source them from the same available Providers! We don’t sell ours cheap in comparison to the available margins and still make a healthy ‘business standard’ profit. This, alongside terminal tackle is where rip off BRITAIN stands rife in the industry. If you honestly think you are getting a cracking deal for ten small bits of metal for a fiver then think on. We appreciate brand loyalty, we also respect brand confidence, but at some stage or another common sense should enter the mind of the angler who in turn should start to challenge what seems right and what seems wrong…surely.? The prices we charge for our terminal tackle and hooks etc is the show stopper for the trolls. When challenged “your bait is cheap so it must be [censored]” we refer them to the quality of our hooks or the suppleness of our tungsten tubing and on and on and on….That’s when the trolls fade and die. We don’t sell cheap bait and we don’t sell cheap terminal tackle…..it’s just priced correctly! If people are prepared to give away their hard earned cash in the belief that what they are using is superior then hey, what can we do? We can’t educate everyone and where we do not advertise in the publication world and carp comics it’s understandable the brain washing exists. Sad, but true! link here comments??

I like going into a tackle shop as well, it is almost an adventure in itself, even if I do spend more than I need. OK, I lead a sheltered life😖😅 The tackle brand is the 2nd middle man; I'm sure a number of tackle firms quite literally went to alibaba, and bought up massive amounts of tackle at cheap prices! As the tackle brands have no manufacturing of most items (there are a few exceptions), they buy and import from various factories via companies like alibaba. Chinese companies will often reverse engineer, then sell the design to someone else or copy and manufacture and sell. That from a number of companies, includes bedchairs, bivvies, as well as the smaller bits, although a few do own possible 'slave trade' factories in Far Eastern countries. By slave trade I mean because its Far East, wages are lower and i'm sure conditions not as good as here. I'm sure Drennan is a most definite exception to the hook factory rule, they do own their own factory, bought from Kamasan, keeping the Kamasan name alive in the process. Kamasan for years have been a big player in trout fishing hooks, so Drennan make it on both sides! I do not know Drennan own their other manufacturing processes factory, but they have their own supervisors in their factory. I keep harping back to UK made, a strange point was made by of all people this week, Donald Trump, and his 'banning' Chinese steel imports. The Chinese government want money, from exports, but they import very few goods themselves, import tariffs are high. By Trump equalising tariffs into USA, he could well be putting money back into USA production. Britain has been needing to do the same for years. How many British companies make in UK?

I wouldn't touch their bait and some of their comments on the use of salt, such as "Carp can't get enough of it" , are not the best thing to put in print either imo. I'd agree with what was said in the OP about mark ups on most terminal tackle being too high. But I suppose that, if you are careful with your angling, you won't lose much end tackle anyway. So paying the extra for something you trust in, isn't such a big deal...... I just get annoyed, when inferior tackle is sold at quality prices from some corners.

I certainly wont say that other firms don't rip customers off buddy - let's face it the whole carp game is one big rip-off!!!!

It seems to be okay, after all it boils the kettle 😀

At least Cherry are being honest in this instance. They are saying what we've all been saying and thinking for years. I honestly don't mind paying extra for anything that is 90% manufactured in this country by British workers. But if tackle companies are just acting as middle men for Asian manufactured products, but still selling at the same prices as if they've actually created and made something themselves, eg 300 or 400% mark up. Then I'll happily spend half an hour to source the exact same product and cut out the middle man, if possible..... Imagine being sponsored.... You can see the look of distain on most of their faces in promo vids, when they are obligated to plug a 10p piece for a fiver...... embarrassing. Must really suck the self respect out of a man.

I looked up Kamasan on the internet, and I can't find a Kamasan website, but I did find a Kamasan hook range site. Almost every hook pattern in the trout range has been adapted into carp fishing. Years and years ago, Andy Little in the Anglers Mail Guide to Carp fishing did some rig pictures, and in one he recommended a particular trout pattern with a certain setup. For how many years were we using B175's? One of my favourite hooks for pop-ups, and when it was legal, for Bent hook rigs. It may actually be that I preferred size 8 and 10's that unlike many others who used larger hooks, I didn't get mouth damage on fish I landed with bhr's. The pic below, spot the Nash patterns, the Gardner, Korda, the Drennan or whichever

Cherry Carp are not ex- Solar, they are ex- Solar-Carp (a different entity to Solar). This is the company that used the Solar name to sell cheap bait rolled in Europe and shipped to the UK where it was crumbling to bits when it got to the customer (Martin Locke of Solar hadn't been prepared to do this which is why SolarCarp was created as separate entity as personnel split from Solar). When questioned the various members of the SolarCarp team gave conflicting information as to the content - some said it contained no preservatives, other said it did..... who knows what was in it...... There was also a massive hoo-har about the Directors trying to stitch up Lockey if I remember rightly but all trace of this has been removed from the net for legal reasons I assume..... So it makes me chuckle when they talk other firms about ripping anglers off. I wouldn't buy anything from them.

How did you get on mate? I blanked but was nice to get out for a bit lol

A large number of hook shapes come from trout or salmon fishing, the hooks are often identical patterns, same gauge, but market them as carp, and price increases. Then you have wholesale or dealer price, and genuine retail mark-up, however some tackle brands do over charge on the price they sell to tackle shop at. Swivels are a major case in point, and tackle brands want you to use their swivels, after all, only a Korda swivel fits a Korda lead clip. A size 8 swivel is a size 8 swivel, although some genuine manufacturers do have slightly different barrel sizes. Yet the price for a Korda swivel is carp taxed, compared to a size 8 Mustad, Leeda or heaven forbid Breakaway Tackle swivel. All are probably manufactured at Mustad, the latter brands are around the same retail price, yet Korda charge 5 times the price... Fishing line, I recently made the point on Asso thread, there are I think only 6 line factories in the world, yet prices for monofilament line range from £8.99 for a bulk spool, to £20, on essentially what is the same product that costs pennies to make. Tackle brands stick silly prices on what they sell you. It probably actually costs more for the plastic spool and packing than the line on the plastic spool❗️😏

strangly enough, i have just come across this on Cherry Carp's web site..... " It’s a mad industry and the biggest difference between high quality camping products and high quality carp related products is about 300%!!!! " 😨 😨

I got myself a little adapter for my t4 so I can use the cheap canisters from places like b&m £4 for four.....

Stoves, clothing and even sleeping bags are worth looking at in camping shops. Why pay carp tax when you can pick up a Polar minus 12 degree sleeping bag in olive green for £80 as opposed to £150? The Webtex Warrior stove I linked to is cheaper than exactly the same stove in the Trakker name, but from a camping store, not a tackle shop.

Work party tomorrow morning on a club lake, then a good walk round the syndi late afternoon/evening. Supposed to be quite mild, so hopefully see something pop it's head out .Gonna use up the last 2kg of last years bait on a midweek session on my old club lake, hopefully 48hrs. There's a week left on the ticket My weekend is a bit staggered finishing off a job and doing a work party.... And what with the up and down weather we've had, The few walkabouts I've done have been pretty much fruitless. My season starts proper on Monday. By that, I mean, I can really start putting my head into my new waters..... Out with the old and in with the new.... Buzzing .

Is anyone on the bank this weekend? I'm doing a 24hr session today, 3 rods out with about 50 baits around them. I'm using the Nash instant action pineapple crush boilies in 16mm, can't say too much about them but got 15kg of them so hopefully they work 😂 good luck to anyone who's out this weekend 👍👍