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About 10 to a dozen on a medium maggot clip mate. I was thinking with the amount of dead leaves and other material on the lake bed, even a size 4 would be difficult to see by a fish. But he reckons that these carp are so "clued up" that they could mouth the bait and feel the hook before even registering anything on the alarms. My thoughts are if they are sucking a bait in, by the time they've realised there's a hook there, it should be too late??? My hooks are well sharp by the way, and I am using pva to help mask them.

Well, another blank! I was the only one fishing today, a couple of guys were there when I first arrived but they were coming to the end of their sessions and both reported that the lake had been very quiet. There were definitely fish in "Back Pond" today, but just couldn't tempt them despite my best efforts. I may not be catching, but I am definitely honing my fish spotting skills! Couple of single beeps, but nothing I could get my teeth into. Bailiff has suggested scaling down my hook size. I've been using 4's for my bottom baits, but may well go down to a 6 or an 8. I had maggots on my "trap" rod (right in the bay entrance) by the way Yonny, and was using sticks CM......

I did fire out a fair few as freebies Geezer, I thought you meant how many on my rig!! Am going to tie a few more rigs up this week-end with some size 6 and 8's on there just to ring the changes. Quick links used, so not a big faff to swap them around a bit.

You could try less maggots? Its a bit in your face if they are wary I tied a sick maggot rig last night, will look bob on with about 4 maggots on it.

I was going to go buy some new ones instead of work but instead decided I'll cope with using my thermals with my waterproofs on top... still her fault though!!