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I used to fish slightly longer rigs but find about 9" is the ideal for me. I used to worry a lot about trying to keep the hookbait away from the lead, but concern myself more nowadays with matching the hooklength colour to the lake bed, swapping between weedy green or silt coloured depending on venue.

Spot on spin doctor sometimes unreliable if you fish rivers you can let the line off the spool nothing attached paying out line this also works a treat.

Ive been looking at various rigs on line and it seems most anglers vary the length of their rig for various situations . Personaly I tend to use short rigs 4-6 inches . But I'm not sure why . It works (most times) but does any one favour longer ones and if so what determines you to use a longer rig ? The type of bottom ? To catch wary bigger fish? Any thoughts much appreciated

From 9 to 12 inches coated braid Uncoated braid 2 to 6 inches in bags Chods 1 to 6 inches Floating 1 to 4 foot Zig 1 foot to lake depth

Some interesting stuff there lads , cheers. My new water is very silty with tests showing a 1.5oz lead to be sinking in as much as 12 inches in places. I've switched to helicopter set up instead of standard lead clip set up and I've been using 6-8 inch hooklinks but I think I'll try 10 inch plus rigs and vary them over three rods to see if any are more productive than others

I'm in Cumbria more than willing to pay postage and a few beer tokens too as I won't be changing the pod for the foreseeable future thanks your a gent

You can have them for free fella, although you'd have to cover postage of required. Where are you based? Let me have a quick dig tonight, make sure I can find them.

You can ask miwillons of anglers what length rig they use, and the answer is quite possibly between 6-9 inches from most of them, although Chod rigs will drop that average. Ooh err Missus Some of it is watching Dvd's or blogs, and big name angler always uses that length, so 'you' copy. There are absolutely loads of reasons to change rig length, how and what you feed, the amount you feed, the lakebed, how the carp feed, what they are used to dealing with, even the bait you use. A few years ago now I was using a small lake near me as a test lake for various rigs, lead set-ups, baits and indication. At the time most anglers were still using 6-9 inch rigs, so I tied up a few, and cast them into a spot where I could see the reaction. Many of the carp would actually back off (boilies mostly), 6 inches with baits in their mouth, freebies and hookbaits. So suck or pick up, back off 15cms, and then stop before spitting or swallowing. If a bait had a hook on it, you could watch them 'thinking', the eyes would roll, and with a semi-fixed lead, the carp would tighten up to the lead, so either back off, feeling for the lead and then with the weight of the lead, the sucking, blowing and lip movement could eject the hook, on even mega sharp hooks. Now think about this, if the carp back off that distance, how can you confuse the issue? Lengthen or shorten... Obviously not every carp could eject the hook, or you would never get any runs, but many do get away with it. Imagine what happens when you can't see it, and as much as I slate them, the Korda dvd's do show you how easy it is for the fish to get away. My mate Al, on a small fish water we have been on recently has found the best length for hooked fish has been 30cms, or 12inches. Fishing next to each other he has been hooking 3-1 to my shorter rigs, and the carp are not massive either!

try this.... go to a big field.... put a lead on and chuck it as far as you can.... go find the lead, cut it off go back to the rod and retrieve the line through the grass..... takes the twist out of the line a treat