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I am absolutely shattered today, and my right knee and hip are agony. Yesterday was a busy day, from Ipswich to collect Bruce Lait and take him to the airport at 2.30am. Back home grab a couple of hours sleep and then go collect my son Levi from Basildon and back to Ipswich via Poplar Nursery at Marks Tey for coffee and a doughnut. Definitely a cafe/restaurant worth a visit.

I was looking at the specifications for both, and like you it would be I think personal choice. Quality wise, I think both are good, and it is just down to others opinions on which they think is best, and I bet you'd get people each saying each one is the best.

I will be using both the groundsheet and inner dome on either, I have both accessories for both bivvies. It’s all very equal on those fronts. The edge goes to Nash because of the peak height and door height - which I personally prefer over the taller middle/back height of the Fox My hesitation comes from not fully understanding whether or not one is generally accepted as better quality than the other… However, I’ve decided on keeping the Nash this evening, and I’ve unravelled it from its original packaging to seal the deal, the Fox is going back… job done

Yep I got one through work recently, I work 50/50 home/office, and I told them - I objectively can not work from the office without a key, my brain/psyche is simply literally incapable of using a cubicle loo, I don’t have a diagnosis, but regardless - it exists, they gave me a key on the spot, and it fits all disabled loos 👍🏻

I managed to get myself a Radar key. Saying that I do go to the local co-op and use their toilet, which is disabled friendly. I dislike the Tardis like portaloos they are foul, and believe me working on building sites I've seen the worst.

I've owned bivvies by Nash and Fox, and both were good quality, if anything, before Fox were sold, the Fox bivvy quality of my 2 EasyDomes were very good. The Nash Outlaw Dome I owned was easy to use, in fact I still have it. @framey makes a very good point. A bivvy can go up very quickly, but it still takes time to put everything away and in order. It can make a mockery of the term, and like him, I hate 'quick overnighter'. My overnighter is, or more correctly, was, arriving after work, fishing the night hours and packing up first thing, usually before work. I may be fishing less than 10hours. Saying that, I do fish like that on the river, setting up just before dark, and being off by 8 or 9am. On an overnighter I will use no bivvy at all if it is going to be dry, or use a plain straight umbrella. The umbrella has an advantage, I can put it up over my bedchair if the weather does turn. If you need to use a groundsheet then that may also make a difference, and do you need any inner dome? Something else to bear in mind, may be worth thinking about, NashBait are being closed down in order to concentrate on Nash Tackle. Fox are so far solidly owned. It might be worth thinking about the possible connotations of that.

Game changer, as I wouldn’t dream of using a public loo. (unless I can access a disabled loo, that’s a top tip for general society btw, disabled loos are generally wayyyyy cleaner than regular, and my qualifying disability is that I’m too anxious to use a regular loo) … anyway back to the point, my flat pack loo is as integral to my bivvy as the frame itself, you couldn’t pay me a grand to go in a shared portaloo, no no no no no no NO, NO

Aye, very much aligned with that, the decision on this is just going to come down to which is the better build quality, which is known to hold up better over time, that sort of thing, still quite fuzzy from everything I’ve researched so figured I’d ask for more opinions on that front - as it stands I’m leaning Nash. The Daiwa Ninja 4pc rods are only on the continent at the moment, from what I can see they are fairly new, got mine from Fishernator and I think fishdeal are doing them as well, 13ft 3.50lb (and 12ft 3lb but I don’t fancy those), I matched them up with some 23 emblem 45 scw QD’s… good match … but obviously still not an ideal rod being at the lower end of specs a bit like the TX-lites, but until somebody makes some high end 4pc rods… have to make do with whatever is available. Good to bump into a fellow TX-Lite enjoyer, as a 4pc fanatic, they are my favourite rods of all time, I’m [censored]ed off that I didn’t buy 3 of every variant before Uttings got rid of all of theirs, there’s only scraps of stock left on them now, mostly 9fts and they’re all £160+, feels gross after Uttings were giving them away at £80odd a pop, but as they say you snooze you lose.

I also hate the term quick overnighter lol i also don’t care how long the shelter takes to put up so when they say it only takes less than a minute to put up that really doesn’t interest me It takes me longer than that to get all the bits out of the bags and then it would be the last thing to go up if at all, i get all the head room I want with nothing over the top. I just want covering if it’s going to rain lol tend to get less bothered by mozzies also I find. back to your problem. If you barrow all the kit around then yep it probably really doesn’t matter if you carry it then it does. im afraid it’s going to be which one suits you best good Luck with whatever one you choose 👍 Ps never seen the ninja rods but I use the ninja reels and I really like them I also have a set of the shimano tx compact 4 piece but in 12foot 2.5tc

They both weight around the same, “stripped out”, the Nash weighs 12.5kg, the Fox weighs 12.6kg, then their like-for-like accessories (inner domes, groundsheets, overwraps) - are also similar in weight, give or take a kg in the end either way, there’s no significant difference between them. I refuse to use 12ft 2pc rods, it’s only thanks to Daiwa releasing the 4pc Ninja rods (13ft 3.50lb) in Europe that I was ship them in and get hold of some long range rods, before that my only carp rods have been Shimano TX-Lite (4pc, 10ft) … my chair is an Aeronium super lite (2.3kg) … bedchair cygnet grandsniper (8.4kg) … I have an original Aqua Atom Mk1 (3.5kg) the lightest and most compact bivvy ever made … I’m currently using a Sonik Xtractor Bivvy, similarly as light and compact as a Tempest Brolly and whatnot As it happens, I am literally Mr Lightweight, Mr Compact On a day session, nothing beats my West Lake Lc Day Shelter Pop up, I’ve had a Tempest 100 Brolly, I have an Atom, I’ve had the Fox Easy Shelter… for weight and packdown size combined with practicality, the West Lake Lc Day Shelter smokes everything… Recently I borrowed a Tempest RS 150, and it changed my whole perspective on bivvies specifically (for night fishing, not day shelters)… I used to obsess about packdown size and night fish with literally zero space in an Atom, but the Xtractor full system made me realise that a 120-160cm pack down size is “fine”, coming from an Atom which packed down to 78cm… (an additional 10kg give or take on the barrow is insignificant to me, it being a manageable / storable size was the most important) …the point is, when I did accept a bigger pack down size, especially after borrowing the RS 150, the comfort on the bank increased exponentially, far far far far outweighing the convenience of the likes of a Tempest 100 Brolly. I just don’t buy into the “brolly for a quick overnighter” cliche anymore, what’s a “quick overnighter”? It’s 24 hours… it’s not a variable it’s a constant… 24 hours on the bank is not “quick” under any circumstances, 24 hours is always 24 hours, and it’s always long, “sleeping in this crisp packet will do you for a quick overnighter”, marketing spiel. Let’s take setup for an example: A Tempest Brolly takes 2? minutes, weighs 10kg? All in A Titan Bivvy takes 7? minutes, weighs 17kg? All in Option A. - do I want to be cramped and hunched and less uncomfortable for 23hours 58minutes, and push 7kg less ? or Option B. - do I want to be liberated and spacious and more comfortable for 23hours and 53minutes, and push 7kg more? I used to be obsessed with Option A, but after borrowing that RS 150 system, I’ll never compromise on that comfort again… based on that I’ve ended up double ordering 2 of the most comfortable bivvies on the market, but like I said - I can only keep one.

Depends on if you want to camp or carp lol all joking aside never used either so can’t help sorry. i would imagine the Nash being the weight of a small transit and the fox the weight of a mini that alone may make a difference depending on how you get from vehicle to swim. unless I’m doing any longer than a weekend then I would either be under a fast and lite or a trakker tempest mk1 brolly. Depending on weather and time of year so think they would both be over the top for my fishing.

I’ve got 2 brand new bivvies in the living room right now… Nash Titan T1 Camo Pro Fox Frontier XD Camo … both the latest and greatest versions from their respective brands … unfortunately I can only keep 1, and 1 has to go 😔 In any case, the HD groundsheet and Inner Dome will be used pretty much all of the time, but addons are not much of a decided factor here, the main deciding factor for me is… … the Nash is marginally wider by 6cm, significantly longer by 18cm - and it’s 3-0 to the Nash… because on height, 183cm at the peak, 158cm at the door, where as research tells me that the Fox 143cm at the door (despite being 165cm overall in height). I’ve seen it argued that the XD has more “useable” height, due to the steep slope of the Nash, the Nash has a higher peak and door, but the Fox maintains much more of its height towards the back… but then I’m thinking… is height above the bedchair really “useable”? As long as there’s head clearance when sitting on the bedchair, I can’t think of why more height above the bedchair is of any use… Pack down size is another slight edge for the Nash, and it just “looks better” to me as a personal preference. So that’s all of the context behind my thinking, but onto the most important thing that can only come from you - the people who know these 2 bivvies… quality, usability, reliability, the stuff which can not be assed on paper, because ultimately I want to keep the “best” one, they will both suit my needs excellently, so it really comes down to finding out which is actually the best when it comes down to quality/usability/reliability - which one is most worth it’s money? Cheers

One out the syndi Sunday morning 1st fish in 4 weekends, came after a change of presentation 👍

Grief, another month gone and we are into August already

25lb The only fish in a 40hour sesh

The only downside with that is how much you cut off, snap off during the life of the line. Every few sessions I cut mine back to fresher line as it wears or shows damage. Thats why I like my yellow backing line just strip it to that and it works every time I've even changed between 0.35mm and 040mm Gardner lines and it uses 1 spool per 3 rods bang on for both.

Actually make it even easier, go 250metres, or 69wraps at 3.66 metres (12ft) and then you can get 2 fills from 1 1000metre spool

Thanks. I will keep this in my little book of handy ideas. Les

Put this in your memory, when you need to replace the line, take off around 300metres (80 odd wraps at 3.66m or 12ft, its actually just under at 292metres) and spool new line on top of it.

Good idea, never thought of that and it’s so simple.

I just fill my spools with something cheap like a 100m spool in the same bs as the stuff I want to use and then just fill up with the other line. as long as it comes on 100m spools I don’t care it never gets replaced. usually get 3 spools filled out of a bulk spool then. i would get bored counting turns and probably loose count anyway..

I’ve just done both reels with 1000m Korda 15lb and got a bit left over. I used the uni knot on bot my reels. I was surprised how easy the knot was to make.

The 'through the middle' elasticated ones, I used to cut the elastic out and either use in-line or attach a quick link to. Have fun, it's a good method (sic) for carp, bream and even roach in carp waters.

Well, I've had a forage through the far reaches of the shed and found several old method feeders. I'd even got a couple of the large, elasticated ones but they're in the bin as potentially hazardous in the case of a break-off. Favourite among the rest are some quite large, three-vaned ones by Korda which I intend to use. I'll report back with results, if any. Ian.

I’ve got the shallow as well as the deep spools. Just weighed the both and the deep comes in with line at 7oz and the shallow with line 5oz… I was a bit bored 😁