Pop-up reverse combi-rig.

[salokcinnodrog]

While I've had a few fish recently,  i've been working with a version of the reverse combi-rig for pop-ups on one rod on the syndicate.

The 'boom' section is Kryston Snakeskin or Jackal, tied to Gardner Tripwire and a knotless knotted D-rig with putty covering the hooklink join.

The 360 rig is OK on weedfree areas, but where it is patchy, the reverse combi-rig seems to be a better option.

I've actually fished the two rigs side by side, so got a fair comparison.

On the 6 fish session, every rig produced: critically balanced 12mm pop-up over hemp, 2 carp, the 360 rig, 2 carp (the two largest), and the reverse combi 2 and lost one. That area of the lake there is plenty of clear lakebed.

This session (so far) it was the reverse combi-rig that produced and it was on the same line as the 360, about 10metres away, but last week the 360 was coming in weed covered, although that could be from where it was drifting.

It may also be bait, a bright fluoro pink pop-up as opposed to a neutral feed bait pop-up, but the reverse combi is definitely giving food for thought as I had a tench on it last week and nothing to the other two rigs. I did have a small tench last night on the multi-rig over hemp and sweetcorn.

This is the rig that landed the 33lb fish this week.

 

The only problem is that the VMC hook is just starting to rust by the eye.

[salokcinnodrog]

On 20/09/2024 at 20:08, salokcinnodrog said:

While I've had a few fish recently,  i've been working with a version of the reverse combi-rig for pop-ups on one rod on the syndicate.

The 'boom' section is Kryston Snakeskin or Jackal, tied to Gardner Tripwire and a knotless knotted D-rig with putty covering the hooklink join.

The 360 rig is OK on weedfree areas, but where it is patchy, the reverse combi-rig seems to be a better option.

I've actually fished the two rigs side by side, so got a fair comparison.

On the 6 fish session, every rig produced: critically balanced 12mm pop-up over hemp, 2 carp, the 360 rig, 2 carp (the two largest), and the reverse combi 2 and lost one. That area of the lake there is plenty of clear lakebed.

This session (so far) it was the reverse combi-rig that produced and it was on the same line as the 360, about 10metres away, but last week the 360 was coming in weed covered, although that could be from where it was drifting.

It may also be bait, a bright fluoro pink pop-up as opposed to a neutral feed bait pop-up, but the reverse combi is definitely giving food for thought as I had a tench on it last week and nothing to the other two rigs. I did have a small tench last night on the multi-rig over hemp and sweetcorn.

This is the rig that landed the 33lb fish this week.

 

The only problem is that the VMC hook is just starting to rust by the eye.

I'm still using both the 360⁰rig and the reverse combi rig, and both still catching. I've tried a Multi-rig for the pop-up slivers over maize and birdfood, but did lose a fish to a hookpull, so went back to the other rigs, and specifically the reverse combi over the particles. I've shortened the fluorocarbon section over particles, to no more than 10mm.

 

[elmoputney]

53 minutes ago, salokcinnodrog said:

I'm still using both the 360⁰rig and the reverse combi rig, and both still catching. I've tried a Multi-rig for the pop-up slivers over maize and birdfood, but did lose a fish to a hookpull, so went back to the other rigs, and specifically the reverse combi over the particles. I've shortened the fluorocarbon section over particles, to no more than 10mm.

 

Don't admit that, when I changed from a slip D back to a spinner rig after a hook pull I got loads of beef. 😬

[salokcinnodrog]

32 minutes ago, elmoputney said:

Don't admit that, when I changed from a slip D back to a spinner rig after a hook pull I got loads of beef. 😬

I think that the stiff coated braid was wrong for the multi-rig over that area of lakebed, and the hook sits wrong. It might work in other spots, or maybe a standard braid would have been better, but a hookpull is a hookpull, and I analysed it thus. I thought that over particles the fish would pick everything up, but I think that the stiffness stopped it being taken in properly, whereas the braided reverse combi could be sucked in.

The reverse combi rig I had one take today, and the hook was well in the mouth, so definitely was the right choice for that spot. Oh, and relevant to another thread, it was cast out in a PVA bag of mixed pellets and chops/crumbled boilies.

It is weird that despite the right and middle rods being at the same distance how the lakebed is different within 10metres.

I do check presentation for the rigs in the margins and at times on the spots. 

[kevtaylor]

I did rig trials in Dec taking my stiff hinge pop-up rig and adapting (longer/straighter) for bottom baits and wafters.  I got 3 takes on it, all drop backs which indicated to me that they were the bigger fish (proper Kingy fish always do this) but all shook the rig before I connected.

Whilst this was disappointing I feel that the rig actually worked OK hooking the fish in the first place, they always come towards you and shake it free anyway (barbless) so really the problem was the semi fixed lead.  I clocked this and changed over to running set-ups but no more takes to prove the theory.

In a recent video Myles Gibson was trying a very similar rig.

Probably going to be Dec again before I come off the pop-ups and onto wafters and continue the experiment again.

 

Edited Friday at 14:41 by kevtaylor

[elmoputney]

4 hours ago, kevtaylor said:

I did rig trials in Dec taking my stiff hinge pop-up rig and adapting (longer/straighter) for bottom baits and wafters.  I got 3 takes on it, all drop backs which indicated to me that they were the bigger fish (proper Kingy fish always do this) but all shook the rig before I connected.

Whilst this was disappointing I feel that the rig actually worked OK hooking the fish in the first place, they always come towards you and shake it free anyway (barbless) so really the problem was the semi fixed lead.  I clocked this and changed over to running set-ups but no more takes to prove the theory.

In a recent video Myles Gibson was trying a very similar rig.

Probably going to be Dec again before I come off the pop-ups and onto wafters and continue the experiment again.

 

PB products hit n run lead clips have become an essential part of my set up lately. From a safety POV, they are smashing, in the event of a crack off or cut off type incident the fish will only ever be left with the rig in its mouth and not trailing loads of line, 

and because it's essentially free running they can't use the weight of the lead to help eject the hook. I've had a lot of screaming takes since switching to them. 

 

[salokcinnodrog]

11 hours ago, elmoputney said:

PB products hit n run lead clips have become an essential part of my set up lately. From a safety POV, they are smashing, in the event of a crack off or cut off type incident the fish will only ever be left with the rig in its mouth and not trailing loads of line, 

and because it's essentially free running they can't use the weight of the lead to help eject the hook. I've had a lot of screaming takes since switching to them. 

 

I can't remember where I first bought them, but I had to replace my dwindling stock of run rings and clips.

https://www.korum.co.uk/en/products/rig-accessories/kp-00170

I've lost a couple or rigs recently, blooming swans, one swam through the line and tangled up, the other picked up the hookbait, both resulted in losing the lot. On the tangled up loss, it was just after the cast, so the line was still in the clip. The swan swam towards the splash of the PVA bag. I checked the line, and it had gone at the knot.

As for the running leads, and slack lines, the two carp this week were absolute screamers. The second carp during the fight I could see the lead on the run ring, and as the fish kicked right, I could see the lead eject off the clip, not losing the run ring, just the standard type clip like the picture. I'm not sure but it may be because I cut the swivel off the leads, and the wire loop can slip between the prong.

[elmoputney]

1 hour ago, salokcinnodrog said:

I can't remember where I first bought them, but I had to replace my dwindling stock of run rings and clips.

https://www.korum.co.uk/en/products/rig-accessories/kp-00170

I've lost a couple or rigs recently, blooming swans, one swam through the line and tangled up, the other picked up the hookbait, both resulted in losing the lot. On the tangled up loss, it was just after the cast, so the line was still in the clip. The swan swam towards the splash of the PVA bag. I checked the line, and it had gone at the knot.

As for the running leads, and slack lines, the two carp this week were absolute screamers. The second carp during the fight I could see the lead on the run ring, and as the fish kicked right, I could see the lead eject off the clip, not losing the run ring, just the standard type clip like the picture. I'm not sure but it may be because I cut the swivel off the leads, and the wire loop can slip between the prong.

With a running rig you are still going to leave a trailer attached in the event of a crack off. That's why I am now using the pb ones same benefit of a running rig, but as the fish swims off the rig with swivel will travel up the trailing line and free itself leaving only the rig in its mouth, 

[salokcinnodrog]

4 hours ago, elmoputney said:

With a running rig you are still going to leave a trailer attached in the event of a crack off. That's why I am now using the pb ones same benefit of a running rig, but as the fish swims off the rig with swivel will travel up the trailing line and free itself leaving only the rig in its mouth, 

From the crack-off with the swan, it went at the hooklink knot, as it does in the majority of cases. It is normally only if the line gets fragged by snags or detritus does it go anywhere else. The run ring can travel up the line and off.

I think every trailer I have found, has been caught up with a semi-fixed lead, usually on a lead clip...

I have removed and freed a couple from snags in the past!

Yet never found one with a running lead on.

[elmoputney]

3 hours ago, salokcinnodrog said:

From the crack-off with the swan, it went at the hooklink knot, as it does in the majority of cases. It is normally only if the line gets fragged by snags or detritus does it go anywhere else. The run ring can travel up the line and off.

I think every trailer I have found, has been caught up with a semi-fixed lead, usually on a lead clip...

I have removed and freed a couple from snags in the past!

Yet never found one with a running lead on.

A trailer with a running lead could still leave a fish attached to a long trailer, yes it might be minus the lead but the rig is directly tied to the mainline via a swivel, with the hit n run lead clip if you got the same trailer, the rig would come loose as the swivel is free of the mainline,and therefore you will only ever leave the rig attached once the line parts as the fish can move up the mainline and be free of the trailer. It is also a running rig but neater and IMO safer.