garysj01

Put it all in a pva bag and partly inflate the bag, you,ll need to test it out but it will get the rig out there and then drop gently onto the silt. If thats what your looking for, as for a rig on its own a helicopter rig might be the answer with the swivel moving up the mainline.

Some backleads are designed to drop off if they get snagged, whether this is another ploy from tackle companies to make a bit of money im not sure, you can buy some that are more difficult to lose.

I do use flying back leads, and they have proven to work quite well.

yes some are yes, the ones which have the lead and the clip attached by a little piece of tubing some times come off while playing fish as well.

If your casting any kind of distance you wont need back leads, its another resistance point on your presentation which could lose you fish, your line will naturally arc down anyway with slack lines. The only time i use them is when im fishing right under the rod tips.

Try the fox backleads their attached to a cord

yeh now i see it, probably is a poaching line ive seen a few with multiple hooks attached.

Shocking, were they all attached to leaders or just hooklinks?

I have to say i fished the snags yesterday, and i do mean snags, tree stumps, roots, lillies and branches all in front of me, i did use a fluoro leader of 20lb and my hooklink is 10lb, and through a couple of heart stopping moments where i could feel the snags grating the leader it held, though i do use a much weaker hooklink id rather the hooklink go first than anything else. As you said earlier you are transfering the weak point of the whole presentation to the leader knot and not the swivel knot on the hooklink. My hooklink is the weakest point of the whole presentation and on inspection of a couple of rigs i did get fish on i could see the hooklink beginning to fray with no signs of ware on the leader.

Hello fella Can i ask why your thinking of using a leader?

Hi I havent seen the leader by solar so i wouldnt like to comment on it, all i will say is, if it is made out of a braided material then it does have the potential to damage a fish.

I have seen this written about in magazines and i think some anglers may be under the influence all you need leadcore for is to disguise your presentation, which is not what it was intended for.

Yes it would render the leadcore no more than just a braided leader, i thought it was worth addressing as i have seen this in print before. Sorry i did mean to put this issue in and forgot

Hi everyone Recently i have been spending a lot of my time trying to disprove the danger theory regarding leadcore, yes leadcore, i hear a lot of you shriek NO. Whether we like it or not, anglers are going to use it, full stop. Due to its press in the media, new anglers especially are going to see their idols catching fish on a regular basis and want to get on to leadcore with realising the danger it can pose. I myself have used it for years, i absolutely loved the stuff it meant i could disquise my rig as good as could, i could fish next to snags and weed without the fear of getting cut off. But recently i read a thread that pointed out (among other issue,s) because of the abrasive nature of leadcore it could possibly cause damage to the fish. This did indeed started me thinking about the usage of leadcore and to be honest i raged war on everybody who strongly advised against its use. There are a few problems with leadcore so i will address them one by one. Firstly Leadcore twisting and kinking on the cast, therefore stoping any beads or swivels attached to a hooklink from coming off the leadcore should your rig snap off. I did play around with this for ages and the best way to stop this happening was to take out the lead inner, now im not saying this stopped the problem 100% but it did greatly reduce this happening on the cast. Secondly The lead inner sometimes after a bit of use can penetrate through the outer wall of leadcore causing the problem stated above. As before by taking out the inner core you can reduce this happening. Thirdly Bits of weed and debri getting caught in the spliced loops of leadcore, thus stoping any rig from coming off should you suffer a snap off. Tie the leadcore to the swivel or lead using a 4 or 5 turn grinner knot and to connect the mainline at the top, pull the mainline through the leadcore and out of the side and tie a 4 to 5 turn grinner knot on the outside of the leedcore, i for one have never trusted loops and when i did i purchased some already tied and they came undone, thankfully the lead end and not the mainline end. Fourthly This is the one i really struggled with, the abrasive nature of leadcore, meaning it can damage fish. This one i played round with smothering the outer core with tungsten putty, plastercine and all manner of substances to try and get the outer core just a bit smoother. I cannot get this outer core to a sufficant enough smoothness to guarantee it not damaging the fish. And believe me i have tested and tried for a long time now. In conclusion i know there are probably a lot more aspects about leadcore which i have missed but these have been the ones i see commonly brought up in threads concerning leadcore safety. And for this reason i will not be using leadcore and would advise unless you absolutely need to use it then dont. Many thanks for reading Gary PS i suspect one of the moderators or administrators will probably put this somewhere else but i just thought i was worth mentioning on a fresh thread

ok fare enough

I cant believe that no one has even mentioned Izaak Waltons The Compleat Angler

Yeah just tying a loop is the better and easier option for speed and less hassle.

15lb Sufix kameleon, with the coating stripped off, its just the most supple and thinnest i can find

Mine is a very simple rig, its just 6 inches of 15lb Kameleon Braid, tied knotless knot style at the hook end. The only difference being is i tie a mini rig ring instead of a hair, i then tie the bait on using bait floss threaded through the chosen bait. This enables me to use any size bait to suit any situation.

Its usually a rig that is used with a zig rig or when fishing up against snags if your using inline leads. It occured to me maybe the fish could get rid of the hook using the lead if you know what i mean. Ill try to sort a picture out for you.

hi what about lengthening the hair rig by a couple of inches, when casting in to silt the hair will usually get dragged into the silt with the lead. Sounds like the fish are finding the bait but maybe the lead is plugging into the silt with only a couple of inches of the hair rig exposed, this is why your getting the takes but a very light hook hold. Also try a different lead arrangement, still use an inline lead, but fish it so it comes off on the take like ali hamidi from korda fishes the zig rig. ill try and do an illustration for you if need be, anyway hope this helps