nigewoodcock

Totally agree with you on the supabrolly mate. I still have the first 50inch and it’s far better than the new ultra. Massive step backwards for what I need/want but others may see it as an improvement. Mine of the reasons I went with the tc pro Titan is because of the reduction in weight. I’ve always wanted a Titan butbthe weight issue always put me off. It’s light enough now to warrant one. I will be getting the Titan hide as my go to, mobile shelter. Then the tc pro as the long stay, comfort option. Knowing me though, I will just use the hide for week long trips as well!!!

That’s my take on it. If the company has invested profit and more into designing and improving on their ideas, then they should have some protection. In some instances though, patents would be very difficult to achieve. At the end of the day, taking Yonny’s advice on buying what suits you, at what time, is the way to go. If you feel that the patented product that seems over priced from the outside is that item that you think will improve your experience on the bank, go for it. If not, don’t. I know if my boss asked me to take a pay cut because another company is paying their equivalent staff 20% less than me, I would tell him where to go! Lol

To give balance to the thread...... whos the one ripping off customers in this scenario.... company a:- pays staff wages to designers, cad technicians, marketing team, sales team. Pays out for numerous prototypes, ironing out any problems with new product. Puts product out for testing. Resolves any issues after testing period. Etc etc etc ends up with finished product and sells for £15. After taking all the above and more into account, each unit sold draws a margin of £4.50. company b:- buys finished product above off shelf. Gets factory to copy it. Sells product for £10 making the same £6 profit per unit.

I can only go on what I know of the pair of them. As I say, I can’t comment on the quarry as never been there.

I can’t supply any comment on the stocking levels, other than there are some big ones in there. what I can say with authority though, is that dave and Ed certainly know how to manage a water. I would expect that lake to be a desirable ticket in the not too distant future. Suffering a couple of years worth of subs may not be such a bad thing if it secures your ticket for the future when it is likely to have a waiting list. As you know, there aren’t many to choose from locally.

Seems strange that you can purchase it if it is only at the field testing stage???

If you had a business designing and selling, I dunno, ball ponot pens say, and you can sell them for £1 a pen. If you source manufacture in Britain and it costs you 18 pence per unit delivered; would you keep that company as your supplier if you could get the exact same pen shipped over at 10 pence per unit? Then still keep the selling price at £1? Or would you say ‘tell you what, I don’t want to earn that extra 100k profit per year’ That £1 is what people are happy paying. If it wasn’t, then you wouldn’t sell any and go out of business. In a funny kind a way, what the tackle firms are getting slated for; buying as cheap as they can, is the same thing that many are advocating by buying a cyprinus bed chair over a trakker one! Lol Products are only worth what people will pay for them. If trakker can still make a living selling at 30% above what cyprinus are charging then fair play to them. The real deal is with designs like the tempest mechanism or the Titan. I would have thought that is patented or exclusivity agreements with the factories, perhaps due to design rights? That’s why you won’t see a cyprinus tempest or a Titan, only a copy of the m3 (standard pramhood) and the like.

Also, they grow bigger quicker, could be alluding to not so much of what top weights they can achieve but more to do with the fact they grow past a size that a lot of predators, like other fish, can take. After all, cm was questioning why they have higher populations. This is definitely one of the variables.

How about an otter taking every carp (all 7 of them) in a water that is over 90 acres and over 35/40ft deep. That water contains bream (it’s done the record but not claimed, a number of times), tench, roach, perch, pike, and eels. This same lake has people walking around it every day of the year, sailing boats and bird watchers. It’s not a quiet lake. The otters have evolved into a species that doesn’t fear man like they used to. Is this down to being hand reared??? You cant compare eras in the same light when there are massive differences in the variables.

Interesting read that ian. See steve, we do have more in common than you think!!!! An interest in history! Looks like the bridge was rebuilt in the 30’s. Explains the brick and more modern look.

Alan ‘fluff’ Freeman, my old mate, could tell you every member of the line up by date/period.

From google street view, showing the plaque

Fairport convention! An old work mate was an avid fan! He used to go every year, the old hippy!!! Lol

I think it did...

Did you have your glasses on steve??? The canal over the Cherwell is about 20 yards along the same road as the canal bridge!!!!

She certainly is yonny. I’ve never met a more well behaved dog on the bank.

I’ve got a Nash one. The heat it kicks out is amazing. A great way to take the chill out of the bivvy and, more so, brilliant for waking the hands or toes on after being out in the cold. You really have to see (feel) one in action to appreciate it. I was going to make a few plant pot ones but decided for £35, it’s cheaper to buy one that won’t break if I drop it or it bangs around in transit.

Too good to miss for me. I’m getting down in the morning!

Nice frank.

Why are estate lakes harder than any other lake during winter? Genuinely interested to know your thoughts?

I have the Isuzu trooper but that’s staying put incase the wife needs it for the boys.

We are due minus 9 tonight and with over a foot of snow still on my lane, it’s going to be fun trying to get the car down it and onto the clearer roads in the villiage for my drive over to Lincolnshire tomorrow morning!

I’m gagging to get down the lake but I’m snowed in at home!!! The 4x4 will get out to the main roads but the wife needs to get out in that.

I have a set of the Diawa neoprene ones, which are quite comfy and very warm but a struggle to get into quick. i also have a set of ocean ones which are much easier to get into, still comfy on the feet and a great price.