nigewoodcock

I have desribed the rig Nige...............beleive............if \\\i get a single beep............that means a hooked Carp..............if not it's a liner! Before the beep on the buzzer or the movement on the bobbin/line, do you think the fish has mouthed/picked up the bait any number of times before? I think, or rather know, I get done loads before hooking up. Yep, I can change things to improve the ratio but what works for one fish may not work for another. I try to find a happy medium as I am not fishing for one target at the moment. I am on a new water that I just want to get to grips with. If I was fishing for one or maybe two target fish then I would be doing all I could to get the information needed to know I was using the optimum rig and baiting situation for that said fish. This would come from watching it feed (where this is possible), other anglers catches of her/him along with other lines of inquiry.

Kev, not after any argument mate. Just an open and honest debate around rigs that, as you say, may inspire others or myself to think and adapt. There is no doubt in my mind that your rig works. Maybe you could explain the theory behind the rig? You know I won't be asking you to describe it in detail, no need for that. You may help a few people turn things around in there fishing. Like the original poster for instance, who is having trouble?

No one is saying your rig don't work. Just that it is highly unlikely that there is one rig out there that will have a 99% hook up rate. If that were the case........

Try getting that same said cocktail stick into your mouth to the position you describe, no hands! Not trying to suggest your wrong or mocking you in any way kev. Just, I do have an open mind and like to understand things.

Horseshoe for me. They have the best looking fish in the country. Chance of a relatively big fish. Amazing feel to the place and big enough to find your own bit of water.

How has it caught 100's of carp if they haven't seen it?! Lol Being serious though Kev. Do you really think that it has a rate as high as 99% of carp not being able to eject or is it tongue in cheek? If so, what makes the results so high? I honestly don't think that there is a rig out there that can have that sort of ratio between getting the bait picked up and hooking a fish.

Haha cob. I'm not using one on my current water, better options. When they are required then the following thread may help.... http://www.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=51296 There are a few more threads on chods in the stickie section.

Any up to date news on Pine Pool?

Sharp braid scissors are needed by the sounds of things.

Quick question - Do you tie your own bottom bait rigs?

i dont follow you??? may be someone that HASN'T had a brain tumor removed by a surgeon that just got back from a holiday in Dublin can understand........but i dont. some thing to think about......a lead tied on to the mainline then hooklink tied to the lead, fixed lead.( death rig ) would be fine while its still connected to the rod....its when its NOT connected and left live in the water that it kills Your not following me right I mean a swivel tied to the end of the mainline then a weaker mono link tied to that swivel then the lead tied to the weaker mono. The hook link is still running on the mainline so no need for starky comments lol I would almost be hoping for the lead to snag if I cracked off or had my mainline part, if I were fishing a chod rig. That way, the rig would slide much easier off of the mainline leaving the fish free of trailing anything other than a 2-3 inch rig.

i worry though that if i crack off or get cut off, that the weak link will go before the hook link leaves the leader....if thats LC i dont see how(without the leads weight) it can get dumped.... i fear it may make it half way, but then would the two ends twist around and never get free??? scary thought I dont use a leader or leadcore though. But if you are using a chod and you get cut off/crackoff surely you are set up that the hooklink just pulls off over the leader. yep thats my point and why i dont think rotten bottom/weak link leads on heli and leader set ups are safe. It's the only safe way to fish a chod otherwise the lead can never be ejected. I have a swivel below the bottom bead on my lead core then a 10 inch say of 5lb mono tied to the lead so it can snap off in weed ect. Then the hook link slides down to the bottOm bead which is held on by the swivel. What beanz is try to get across though, I think, is that the lead helps the fish get rid of the mainline by giving an anchor spot to pull away from after a crack off of line breaking above the rig.

might be able to help there mate..along with a tar boiling ring to blast it My brother in law owns a hire company, got him on the lookout for an unwanted one! In the meantime though, I might take you up on the offer after August. After next week I'll be off the lake for over a month whilst getting married and sail fishing in Mexico whilst on honeymoon!

Not on it yet. Went for a quick night a few weeks ago on bm. It grabbed me straight away, just like it did when I was 12! I think I'm not far away with what I'm doing - I'm fusing away from the glory spots and doing it my way on there. Time will tell if I am right or wrong but I know I'll enjoy trying. Need to get hold of a gurt big pan for boiling the amount of bait I'm getting through though! Lol

Snag fishing, I wouldnt be wanting to use the chod rig or any other heli type rig. As you say, much better options. Since being back on the meres, I haven't used a chod at all. You know how silty and 'choddy' they are Del. Been using very, very light leads and small 'fluffy' bags. A wafter has been the bait so far.

Yep. Flyers on slack lines, bitty takes when backleaded!

I've wrote on hear a few years ago about how I thought a backless helped the hooking of the 'naked' chod. The waters I was fishing up until June this year though, back leads we're a big no no due to the amount of weed present. At sandhurst however, I backleaded my line and had a funny take which I said to courtz that I thought it wasnt a carp. Turned out to be a 40!

I always fish a chod rig on a slack line. When I draw the rig out in my head when it is cast out and settled, I imagine the tight line to the lead. Where the rig sits in the main line, as jez says, around 12inches up; this would be off the deck putting the rig higher in the water than the 2 inch chod rig I have tied! Granted, fishing in deep silt this wouldn't be so prominent. Over light leaf litter etc though, and at short to mid range, I can't get past this feeling in my head!

Have a look through those threads mate. Loads of pictures flying about for you to look at and help you understand the mechanics of the rig.

Have a look in the rig tying stickies mate. Two threads in there regarding chod rigs and how to tie safer versions.

Pop into Bristol angling. They will sort you out with all you need to know.

My mate was in the kitchen around the same sort of time - Pete Walpole? Used to love going out on the kayaks. Best fun was on their quads though!

Im not sure if I want these stories to be true or not, if you know what I mean!!!

Only up the road from me. Been out on it, cycled round, walked round and fished it. Never seen any signs of carp but always thought! What years were you there Del? My best mate worked in the kitchen on leaving college.

GT 80 has had a good following since its introduction in 2003.Sorry you didn't like it because we found it bullet proof. Its not in many shops at the moment because we're replacing it with GT80+ which has slightly better knot strength and abrasion resistance. Original GR60 should be available for another 2 years possibly longer if demand continues. Pro-Carp was introduced this year in an effort to provide a good reliable line for less than ten quid--check the knot strength against any .35 line,and the abrasion resistance is right up there. Hope this helps. Richard. Another constructive post from you Richard. It's nice to see a tackle company respond to posts in the way you do - no overselling or plugging etc. Just good feedback to the members on here, when the questions are asked. This is what, in my honest opinion, puts companies such as yours at the top of the pile. It would be great if others would follow suit.