They were fine with harder pop ups just when they are gooed they become a bit softer and occasionally come off easily, but I know what you mean can be frustrating bringing in no bait when you think you should've had a bite, tbh my goo findings have never been that conclusive anyway, I caught mainly caught on ungooed match the hatch last year a couple of pink goo specials but mainly match the hatch I think, that being said I think my match the hatch ones were usually in the right place lol,