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you are aware that its not actually a swear word neal? have you been on the beverage by any chance?

I've left it a week to respond to this in the hope that somebody on here with some clout would delete the last paragraph . I'm sure you know already anyway but , for the benefit of everybody else , I reported your post to admin because I thought , and still do think that that last paragraph is bang out of order . Whether I considered the initial Cyborx post to be mildly amusing by way of tongue in cheek is neither here nor there to anybody else and if there had been a 'found the post to be mildly amusing' button then I would have mildly amused it .... In its absence the like button was the nearest option . I reported it , as I say , in the hope that admin/mods would remove the uncalled for snide comment but a week on its become obvious that THAT isn't going to happen and I'm not surprised about THAT either which would have saved me the trouble of posting In an argument I had no intention of getting involved in . Sad . Very sad.

A very dangerous virus is planned to be released in all Australian freshwater waterways. If this escapes the country (in a travelling anglers damp gear for example) it could destroy the species in many countries around the world. There are many other concerns with this idea which have not been considered! Please help by signing the petition below https://www.change.org/p/barnaby-joyce-barnaby-joyce-don-t-release-a-virus-into-australian-rivers?recruiter=39268449&utm_source=petitions_show_components_action_panel_wrapper&utm_medium=copylink

Was chatting with someone about dogs the other day. Correct word for a female dog?? Forget it! Perhaps the Internet bots don't get context, although they're getting it pretty well right in this thread!

But neither is the three letter word for homosexual or the 3 letter word for boobies beginning with t and ending with t but it blocks them out so I'm as puzzled as Neal and I sure haven't been drinking.....yet...... Oooooh go on then a cider will go down lovely Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Neal...... The door is that way mate- >..................…...................................... [emoji376] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

hahaha!! learn to spell and it wont get thru next time lol i had 17 notifications from you and i thought you were having a twitchy fit :lol:

Tim I agree.... a rule for one and a rule for another is poor!

How come the three letter word for brokeback mountain is banned? Discrimination much.... Peados

i clicked the like button on the above post out of admiration for Tim as he had the presence of mind to withhold his ire, the patience to wait a week and the sheer balls to stand up and say something when no one, thats NO one in a position to do something about it has done. also now that the person responsible for the snide remark is only lurking he wont accuse me of exhibiting bro love sad, very sad

There is a high chance that I will be there this weekend at some point just have to make sure I get the rods out this time lol [emoji16] and don't worry if I do get down there I will keep the thread updated Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Yes I'm aware it is already in the UK. What I'm saying is that you need a massive reservoir of infection in Australia, which is what will happen if it is released on a large scale there

BigDog23 you seem to be a victim of the dribble which has been fed to the australian public for decades regarding the impact of carp. Carp are easy to blame for the sad state of australian freshwater species. The truth is that decades of mismanagement of waterways has resulted in what you see now. Carp are an adaptive species which can easily survive the poor conditions created by erosion, pollution and deliberate alteration of natural flows, and that is why they have flourished. They have nothing to do with muddy water, or how do you explain the crystal clear lakes in Europe and other places like south africa and america which are full of carp? When the Koi Herpes Virus is released as planned in 2018 millions of of dead carp will quickly overwhelm the meagre freshwater supplies, oxygen levels will fall rapidly under the influence of rotting fish and native species will be wiped out. The water will quickly become unfit for any domestic use. The puny $15 million allocated to the cleanup will come nowhere close to what is needed. After about a week dead fish sink to the bottom and then it will be too late. The rumors of mobilizing locals to pick up putrefying rotting fish carcasses is a fantastical dream. The KHV is highly virulent and spreads very quickly. Mortaility is within one week. I don't think the release of a new organism into waterways is the solution. They tried it with Myxamatosis in rabbits and it has not worked. They tried it with cane toads to control the native cane beetle and it has been a catastrophe. Carp has been in australia for 150 years and is now deeply entrenched in the local eco-system. As you say it makes up most of the biomass. What will the effect on wildlife (birds, other predatory fish species, animals) be if a well-established species is removed? No research has been done, no projections are available. In addition to all that, if the virus escapes to Europe the effect on the billion dollar carp fishing industry will be calamitous. And let's not forget Asia where carp is a major food source. If KHV becomes widespread in Australian freshwater as planned the likelihood for this happening becomes much more substantial.

bigdog, i think that your post is a good one, it certainly puts your perspective on the for or against argument from someone on the ground. do you have any idea what the ambient water temp is in the murray darling basin? my reason for asking this is the fact that if the water temps reach as high as they did in 2005-2006 there may be a problem albiet one that should have been considered by whoever researched using the KHV as a mass culling method and that is that the effects of the virus are nulled in temperatures around 24-30 deg F (75-80C). it would be interesting to know what the temps are this year.

Hey guys, just signed up to be able to post this, i've read this forum for a few years seeing how you guys go abaout your carp fishing and techniques that might work over here. I'm not here to try and change your minds but just thought an Australian perspective may give some balance. I'm mid 30's have grown up fishing inland in the murray darling basin. Caught more carp than i could ever count, occasionally a golden perch (also known as yellowbellly or callop) never caught a Murray cod in my 25 years of fishing and native catfish (tandanus tandanus) are extinct in this part of the world now. I enjoy catching carp, however it is sad to see the river in it's current state. Murray Cod, a species who grow to well over a metre are scare. Golden perch are surviving but by no means thriving. Carp are believed to be 80 - 90% of the total biomass in the river, that's a huge amount in 40 odd years. Carp have been here a lot longer but flooding in the 70's is what led to their massive spread in range. As much as i enjoy catching carp, seeing their numbers being significantly reduced by this virus would be a huge positive for australia. restocking the catfish and allowing golden perch and Murray cod to recover to me is a great outcome. Carp will still be around, there will never be 100% wipe out, i assume those fish that are resistant to the virus would be more likely to grow larger, however i expect the laws regarding returning them to the water alive will remain in place. I note that Aussie fisherman have got a bad name in this forum, it's to be expected with Aussie attitudes to carp on a carp forum, but to my mind w're being short changed. Catch and release fishing has grown remarkably, very few murray cod are taken for the plate now with most being treated as well as you guys treat your carp. Perch are still often taken for the table but not in the quantities they once were, greed has diminished and sustainability is more prescient in the minds of our fisherman than ever before. Personally I agree with the carp herpes virus being released in australia. I'd love to see the day when Aussies are travelling to the UK for that trophy shot with a 30+ carp, and uk fisherman go home with stopries of the 110cm+ cod that weighed as much as their wife. I also note our countries responsibility to keep the virus contained to our shores, a responsibility somewhat shared with foreign travellers heading home. If any country can manage this it's australia with our relative isolation. In closing, i guess if anything don't just see this a carp issue, see it as an environmental issue. If you end up on the other side of the argument to me thats fine, i just think it's important to see it through the right lense. and as an aside the earlier post about Australia'a record with introduced species is a touch misleading. Many of those species were released before Australian federation by British citizens in British colonies (including rabbits, foxes and carp). I'm not looking to start a big argument here as we have a ;largely shared history and ahve made probably just as many huge mistakes ourselves. For those interested in successful biological controls in Australia, myxomatosis, calicivirus and the prickly pear moth are the success stories we've had. The Cane Toad probably the most disastrous. sorry for the long winded post, just hoping to add to the discussion from what I imagine is a very different perspective to most on this site

Yeah don't type that into Google images....

butt rest lol

Ha ha! I thought that was a personal message.... whoops, soz mods!

Slap her thighs and ride the waves in....

#Nealjt

Just because.....

Cm we are not the most multicultural country in the world. Far from it in fact Australia has a far higher number of different languages spoken & considering the population difference they are far more multicultural than us . I also never called anyone racist. ... just narrow minded & pointed out my dislike for jibes made at people's back grounds & race . Not sure about all this hard life stuff you have no idea how hard my life might or might not be . My trade is one if not the hardest working trade on site. Let's leave it now . As I shall not reply again .

I tried to sign it but I don't do Stalkbook so I can't. Spr1985 is right, everyone grow up.

my sincere apologies spr1985

I have a user name for a reason please use it, failing that my name is scott......feel free to use that also BUT you are not my father so please don't refer to me as "son" I find it disrespectful. I have cracked as I am sick and tired of all the pathetic jibes on this forum! And posts being ruined because of it. The report button must be broken as I tried it already and it didn't have any effect so I thought I would try the blatantly obvious public way. I have no qualms with you or any other specific person on the forum but it's about time people grew up and stopped the playground bullying/ganging up on each other. I fail to see how this has any positive impact on the forum or what new members must be thinking when they read rubbish like this! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

report button son just advice so please dont take it personal but when you get snidey remarks on almost every post, somats going to crack

Moderators???!!! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

YAY!!!

well ok, i will admit that a few years hard labour in brum might go a little way towards counting for a hard life. so, if i block you and you do the same we might get on a little better cos that way i wont have to read your snidey comments that come from an inflated sense of superiority, and you wont have to put up with my lower class drivel. looks like a plan to me boy

My first job when I left school had me working in the roughest area's of Birmingham where I was a minority as a white English man which I did for many years so your assumption of me is completely wrong. I've worked hard to end up living where I do now & life is a struggle to maintain it every day . So don't see the need for your comments. Cyborx I drove all round Australia thanks pulled into towns where they hadn't seen a car for decades worked with all different types of Australians including Aboriginal . .... you guys keep making your assumptions.

CM, i will refrain from liking your post above as phil will no doubt see a little bro love in it cant blame him for being defensive towards his mates tho cos thats just being a good friend, as you say he needs to get out a little more especially next tome he gets to Oz, the outlying areas away from the nice comfy suburban areas is where the truth is told. out where you have to drive for half a day just to do a shop, i suggest he spends a week in Kalanni, they have a couple of nice lakes round there, De Courcey and Hickman. might come back with an attitude adjustment, but hey ho! i will leave it now

good job i dont know any of your aussie 'mates' then, only my own who actually call it as it is. their words not mine

Apologies spr ... But I can't Stand insults aimed at people's race & backgrounds . And at no point can I see the need to keep calling our Ozi relatives convicts in a thread about the plight of there carp

Oh wow another thread gone way of track as usual........Think it's about time this calmed down and got back to the point of this thread, what is it with you lot taking chunks out of each other all the time it's childish and pathetic. If you don't like someone's opinion or something they say fine..... But does it really need to result in bickering all the time? And people receiving notifications on a topic that interests them only to find they are reading more tit for tat coments Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

if you called any of my Ozi mates a convict to there face you would be picking your teeth up off the floor . Perhaps if your world wasn't so small you would know this , & wouldn't of mentioned it in the first place .

so, calling an australian 'convict' rocks your boat? yours is a small world indeed Phil and dont EVER presume to know what i do or do not think bud.

Load of Tosh ! Think we all know what your convict jibes were about . Trying to back down on them with a story of one disgruntled Australian pathetic. I can't stand race jibes! We have Australian friends every other year come and visit us, if you think all Australians think they live in a prison, so it's OK to call them convicts you are very miss guided. And as for newmarket liking your post that doesn't surprise me one bit either. Sad very sad .

Phil, nice to see you disassociate yourself from the "convict jibe" this "jibe" was actually from a comment that a true Australian made to me while referring to his homeland, the reference also included a pictorial description of life for the greater portion of the populace. "those yabbies that run the country have put up a metaphorical wall around Australia and made it like a prison environment, you can only eat what they let you produce or what is imported under the scrutiny of the government and their lackeys. this goes for anything you use, tools vehicles and even construction materials. you cant even just grab something off an international site like amazon or ebay without it being put under the scrutiny of the dept of immigration and border protection, it makes us feel like the convicts that most of us are descended from". a quote from an Australian ex pat in this country who just wanted to have a free choice on how he lived his life, sound like convicts to me but that aside, i have just signed the petition and waste my time i hope i have not

The problem here is .... we are looking at it from our point of view & not the Australian governments. At a guess I would say that 90% if not higher of Australians see carp as a real problem over there so the government is already listening to there population . I could never agree with releasing a virus into the wild perhaps wide scale industrial netting is needed but it will still end badly for the carp . As I said I've lived out there & know first hand what they think about carp !

Maybe Cameron and his lickers of a uk government should pay to have all the Aussie Carp removed and brought over here , where they are treated a LITTLE better , via a period in isolation of course , in order to replace all the British Carp that their precious cuddly little Otters have murdered ?

Do you think it will have any sway if people from the other side of the world vote on this petition. The votes need to be by Australians.

My apologies I missed a zero, but either way I think you are taking a narrow minded view on this, yes our government are useless and likely to just dismiss it BUT..... It will get it into the public eye and once these things are out in the open its not to easy to get them back in the box, Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

it's 100 thousand not 10 thousand . And all it means even if you do get to that figure is that it will be raised in parliament & then dismissed.

I'm sorry but e petitions are not a waste of time at all, providing they get 10,000 signatures government is duty bound to discuss it in parliament, so it is well worth a shot even if it only bring a little more attention to it in the public eye......do the non angling public have any clue that this is going on? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Phir, I would like to completely disassociate with the convict jibes in this thread , I have lived & worked in Australia & it's a fantastic country. I feel for your plight but these E petitions are a waste of time mate .

i found this interesting little snippet for you Phil, apparently Dingo's are also an invasive species. who knew eh!! the ausie convicts have managed to spoil their environment with over 3000 none native species in less than 230 years, THAT is a little more than the uk even if you do include the plants. so according to your list that you kindly provided thats UK 70 vs AU c3000? Australia has been isolated and insulated from the rest of the world for millions of years. In its isolation many specialised plants and animals evolved that were uniquely adapted to its particular environment. Up until the arrival of Europeans settlers starting in 1788, only one non-indigenous animal was introduced to Australia. This was the dingo which arrived about 4,000 years ago. Since 1788 however more than 25 mammals, 20 birds, 4 reptiles, 1 frog, 34 fish, hundreds of marine species, an unknown number of invertebrates and more than 2,800 weeds have been introduced to Australia.

oh sorry phill, i stupidly used the same site for a more unbiased comparison and as the site you used is only a uk and uk territories it does not offer a comparison i did notice that i left rats on the ausie one tho.

http://www.nonnativespecies.org/index.cfm?sectionid=47

well as you asked Phill, i will tell you. i think that the people who were voted in to run this country are doing just as good a job as the austrailian government are, the only differences are that the ausies are doing something (belatedly) about their predicament even if they are going about it in what i thing is a criminally irresponsible way (and if this post infringes any rules about politics, i apologize) and the brit gov are just hiding under the blankets hoping it will all go away. just remember, you asked as for the uk list being longer, you must read a different comic to me bud cos here it is, species introduced by human hands into the uk for the last 500 years, against 227 years for that convicts. Mammals Grey squirrel Brown rat House mouse Edible dormouse Coypu American mink Reeves's muntjac Sika deer Chinese water deer Birds Rose-ringed parakeet Red-legged partridge Golden pheasant Lady Amherst pheasant Fish Zander Wels catfish Rainbow trout Walleye Bitterling Bluegill Common carp Black bullhead Goldfish Grass carp Orfe Pumpkinseed Topmouth gudgeon Sunbleak Fathead minnow Pacific humped back salmon Crucian carp Amphibians Alpine newt Midwife toad Yellow-bellied toad Marsh frog American bullfrog Reptiles Aesculapian snake European pond terrapin Pond slider Common wall lizard Burmese python Crustaceans Signal crayfish Chinese mitten crab Killer shrimp Insects African pine mosquitos i make that UK 45 against AU loadsalot. ooops, a quick edit to add foreign otters to that list sorry

cant do that buzz, i might upset someone