fishingaddict Posted July 16, 2008 Report Posted July 16, 2008 I have just started to splice my own leadcore rigs and find it hard to believe that the tag end pulled through won't pull back throughagain under pressure. How does this work and would it be safer to use glue aswell???? Thought please.. thanks. Quote
666carpcatcher Posted July 16, 2008 Report Posted July 16, 2008 Have you ever had one of those finger things that you put your finger in and try and pull it out but it wont??? well thats the same as the outter on leadcore the more you pull the tighter it gets, trapping the inner inside Dont have to use glue but if it will give you more confidance then it will only be a good thing Quote
kevtaylor Posted July 16, 2008 Report Posted July 16, 2008 Cant explain how it works so well - but it does, follow the instructions to the letter and it will be sound. No need for glue - it can also interfere with attaching things loop to loop style, coz it creates a stiff bit - not what you want. Quote
kevtaylor Posted July 16, 2008 Report Posted July 16, 2008 Have you ever had one of those finger things that you put your finger in and try and pull it out but it wont??? well thats the same as the outter on leadcore the more you pull the tighter it gets, trapping the inner inside Dont have to use glue but if it will give you more confidance then it will only be a good thing Oi you beat me to it Are you sure your on about leadcore? Just what are you getting your body parts stuck in? Quote
sharpy86 Posted July 16, 2008 Report Posted July 16, 2008 Sounds like one of those chinese finger traps Quote
dave_2133 Posted July 16, 2008 Report Posted July 16, 2008 I always buy the pre made ones from Maver, only because of the fear that if i made it wrong then the carp will drag it around until the hook came out. Quote
kevtaylor Posted July 16, 2008 Report Posted July 16, 2008 I always buy the pre made ones from Maver, only because of the fear that if i made it wrong then the carp will drag it around until the hook came out. Blimey your throwing money away mate it couldn't be easier to do it yourself. It also makes it more interesting doing everything yourself Quote
chrisa112 Posted July 16, 2008 Report Posted July 16, 2008 I always buy the pre made ones from Maver, only because of the fear that if i made it wrong then the carp will drag it around until the hook came out. Blimey your throwing money away mate it couldn't be easier to do it yourself. It also makes it more interesting doing everything yourself Yeah - Even I do it <>Chris Quote
dave_2133 Posted July 16, 2008 Report Posted July 16, 2008 Tell me about it, i might start and make my own because i make everything else myself bar the leadcore. As well you can say that you landed that fish on YOUR rig and not a pack one but then on the other hand if something snapped then your the only one to blame. I always thought like fishingaddict. I have just started to splice my own leadcore rigs and find it hard to believe that the tag end pulled through won't pull back throughagain under pressure. Quote
kevtaylor Posted July 16, 2008 Report Posted July 16, 2008 Tell me about it, i might start and make my own because i make everything else myself bar the leadcore. As well you can say that you landed that fish on YOUR rig and not a pack one but then on the other hand if something snapped then your the only one to blame. I always thought like fishingaddict. I have just started to splice my own leadcore rigs and find it hard to believe that the tag end pulled through won't pull back throughagain under pressure. Fair enough we all have concerns about stuff but you can easily test its strength by pushing something through the finished loop and pulling hard on it. Once you've made a few you wont look back. The bulk spool of esp stuff is very good it seems to blend with everything very well tbh and is supple and the lead itself doesnt fragment and come out the side as it does with other brands. You might get through a few splicing needles whilst learning - just be patient with it and you find a technique to pulling it through itself. Quote
dave_2133 Posted July 16, 2008 Report Posted July 16, 2008 Tell me about it, i might start and make my own because i make everything else myself bar the leadcore. As well you can say that you landed that fish on YOUR rig and not a pack one but then on the other hand if something snapped then your the only one to blame. I always thought like fishingaddict. I have just started to splice my own leadcore rigs and find it hard to believe that the tag end pulled through won't pull back throughagain under pressure. Fair enough we all have concerns about stuff but you can easily test its strength by pushing something through the finished loop and pulling hard on it. Once you've made a few you wont look back. The bulk spool of esp stuff is very good it seems to blend with everything very well tbh and is supple and the lead itself doesnt fragment and come out the side as it does with other brands. You might get through a few splicing needles whilst learning - just be patient with it and you find a technique to pulling it through itself. I think i'll have to buy some over the weekend and take a few days to practice. The Maver premade ones always shot the lead out of the side. I'll get my rig making hands on at the weekend i think Quote
yabsey Posted July 16, 2008 Report Posted July 16, 2008 I just bought some leadcore for the first time about a fortnight ago and i was worried about splicing my own too as i didnt feel the spliced section would be strong enough, so i made some up in work looped around some metal pegs and tugged and hanged on the leadcore. It did break eventually only after some severe punishment but it snapped about an inch from the spliced section and after that little field test im 100% confident in it now. Quote
fishingaddict Posted July 17, 2008 Author Report Posted July 17, 2008 Now made several leadcore leaders for different lead sysytems and they are as strong as anything. Its a hell of alot cheaper to do it this way too. Ready mades are £2-3 each (0.75-1m) whereas an ESP spool of 25m is just over a tenner. ESP leadcore is quality too. Quote
salokcinnodrog Posted August 2, 2008 Report Posted August 2, 2008 When I used to use Leadcore I used to splice my own, and never had one give way with ESP (although I did have a batch of Gardner Leadcore that did, but that was a case of the (melted) Needle knot frayed). The advantage with Splicing your own is you can get different size loops, a small loop at the Mainline end and a larger one at the hooklength end for fast hooklink or lead changing. It is also possible to splice certain Braided Hooklink materials which gives you some nice presentations if you care to think about it Quote
ouchthathurt Posted August 18, 2008 Report Posted August 18, 2008 i use ESP leadcore, with a needle knot and superglue to the mainline, and i srip a short length of leadcore inner on the hooklink end and tie it with a 4turn blood knot, i've never had any problems with it. Quote
salokcinnodrog Posted August 18, 2008 Report Posted August 18, 2008 i use ESP leadcore, with a needle knot and superglue to the mainline, and i srip a short length of leadcore inner on the hooklink end and tie it with a 4turn blood knot, i've never had any problems with it. Matt, Do you have any worries about gluing the Knots? I know I started a thread about Superglue and Knots ages ago, because I was worried about Superglue cracking or reducing the movement and cracking/breaking the knot or material. (Edited to include link) https://forum.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=20072&highlight=superglue+knots Quote
ouchthathurt Posted August 20, 2008 Report Posted August 20, 2008 not if you use it sparingly, i only glued it for my own peace of mind, however during sessions where i have been caught out having to tie a needle knot without superglue, it still holds well for me, without the glue. its not strictly necessary, but i have not noticed any ill effects, but having said that, i change my leadcore regularly, so maybe i'm not giving it enough time for a problem to become apparant? something to think about. Quote
gidneyboy Posted August 20, 2008 Report Posted August 20, 2008 Absolutly no need to glue a splice, infact glueing a splice actually weakens it. The glue stops the outer skin of the splice tightening around the inner piece as it should, thus weakening the splice. Quote
ouchthathurt Posted August 20, 2008 Report Posted August 20, 2008 it's funny, but i have never thought to worry about the affect the glue was having, as i've said i have never thought of it, but i will have to ponder over its necessity, i am happy to use without it. Quote
dansavill Posted August 25, 2008 Report Posted August 25, 2008 does anybody have a diagram of how to splice leadcore, i always get confused when people talk about this tag end, that tag end, this loop that loop it all gets a bit too much.. if anyone can find a diagram that would be very useful Quote
ouchthathurt Posted August 29, 2008 Report Posted August 29, 2008 an easy to follow diagram of the needle knot is on the inside of the packaging with the ESP leadcore. (which is my favourite by far!) Quote
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