chrisa112 Posted March 2, 2008 Report Posted March 2, 2008 Hi can you tell me if youve seen a rig like this before and if it would prove better than other designs ... its based on the ''D'' Rig but because i dont have the nessecery tackle to amke it i came up with this .... the end of the hair is looped back on the hook and the knot and hook is covered in tubing leaving the hook point exposed Pics below : Thanks for reading i dont mind if you tell me this is a rubbish idea <> Chris Quote
nicksingleton Posted March 2, 2008 Report Posted March 2, 2008 I cant see any need for the rig tubing on the hook bend,this is a hinderence.and the boily could be tied with a normal hair but short and tight to the upper end of the shank to achieve the same effect without the need to over complicate Quote
seleb Posted March 2, 2008 Report Posted March 2, 2008 It doesn't look too bad but what's the idea of the tubing ? IMO it looks very similar to a rig that Johnny Mac' has been using. I think it got labelled the " multi rig " . Basically a rig with a masive "D". Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted March 2, 2008 Report Posted March 2, 2008 it looks okay but i dont think it will work a bit too much tubing so the hook is not ver exposed Quote
seleb Posted March 2, 2008 Report Posted March 2, 2008 I'll tell you what though that hook looks like a razor! Quote
chrisa112 Posted March 2, 2008 Author Report Posted March 2, 2008 it had crossed my mind that the tubing might hinder hooking potential but its needs little tube to help stop the hair loop from slideing :S but yes it is very much like a D rig :D BTW the hook that ''looks like a razor'' ( ) is a ESP Raptor size 7 thanks! <>Chris Quote
carpingod150 Posted March 2, 2008 Report Posted March 2, 2008 Couldn't the loop slip off the point of the hook? Quote
chrisa112 Posted March 2, 2008 Author Report Posted March 2, 2008 in response to carpinod150 - yes the hair could slip off but if - as i have now down - you tuck the hair btween the two bits of tubing its catches against the tubing on the shank - i have also trimmed down the tubing to increase hooking potential - ill post a pic tomorro of it !!! just to say i think this is only good for a pop-up!! <>Chris Quote
nash_gadgeteer Posted March 2, 2008 Report Posted March 2, 2008 You are joking right............. Sorry if you take this the wrong way, but that is the worst tied rig i have ever seen. I think you should watch some of the Korda Underwater Vid's. I think your rig will catch fish, but not many............. Too much tubing, loop will fall of the end when bait rotates...... Sorry but no..... Quote
chrisa112 Posted March 2, 2008 Author Report Posted March 2, 2008 it was only an idea but yeah i understand what your saying and yes i have been mening to watch some of the korda vids - saw some of on bait making - pretty damn good ! <>Chris Quote
carpingod150 Posted March 2, 2008 Report Posted March 2, 2008 You are joking right............. Sorry if you take this the wrong way, but that is the worst tied rig i have ever seen. I think you should watch some of the Korda Underwater Vid's. I think your rig will catch fish, but not many............. Too much tubing, loop will fall of the end when bait rotates...... Sorry but no..... Mate, you ever heard of constructive critisism? Jeez, give the guy a break! Quote
seleb Posted March 2, 2008 Report Posted March 2, 2008 I think you should watch some of the Korda Underwater Vid's. Why ? All they teach you is how not to fish a hard gravel bottom. At least there's some lateral thinking going on here. He's already said that it's a pop up rig and i personally think that it would still work with a bait on the deck. Besides what part of it is badly tied ? Like you say , not having a go just asking some questions Quote
nash_gadgeteer Posted March 2, 2008 Report Posted March 2, 2008 I give him 10 out of 10 for trying. That is what it is all about trial and error, and god have we all made some errors in the past, myself included. But does it look right........... If there is any doubts about it, don't go with it..... But as i said sorry, i always say what i think.. Quote
seleb Posted March 2, 2008 Report Posted March 2, 2008 Fair play mate. How many times does a rig have to be published before it does " look right " ? Quote
chrisa112 Posted March 2, 2008 Author Report Posted March 2, 2008 Now dnt fight boys only joking i guess you critisim could have been slighly more subtle i dnt mind though!! i have made a few changes to the rig already as i said il post a pik tomorro !! Thanks lads <>Chris Quote
nash_gadgeteer Posted March 2, 2008 Report Posted March 2, 2008 I think if he done away with the tubing completely, used slightly thinner line and possibly get around the loop coming off, by super glueing a small rubber bead or float stop. Then he could be onto a winner.... Quote
tonybranno Posted March 3, 2008 Report Posted March 3, 2008 I cant see it working TBH cos upon ejection, the boilie will blow out first which will take the hook out of the mouth bend first. But you never know, you may catch one or two on it but if you dont, i wouldnt persevere with it. Quote
weetabix ears Posted March 3, 2008 Report Posted March 3, 2008 top marks for trying , but the tubing on the hook is a hinderance , makes the hook even heavier ,also dont think hook will set home properly , i would lose the tubing , tie the smallest rig ring onto end of hair ,thred that over shaft of hook , then if u wanted put saty 3or 4 mm piece of shrink tubing on bend of hook to stop hair ring going past Quote
nicksingleton Posted March 3, 2008 Report Posted March 3, 2008 How do the mechanic's of this rig increase your chances of a run,over the standard d-rig,i just cant see it. what can you achieve on this rig that is any different action wise than a standard hair rig with silicone tubing holding the boilie tight to the first bend on the hook,other than overcomplicating it because; the hair goes through the middle of your boily not allowing it to slide very well if at all; so it just holds the boily in one position?Just a question,to provoke a more analytical approach to your rigs,which in turn will make you the thinking angler,and more successful in the long run,cheers, not having a go Quote
nicksingleton Posted March 3, 2008 Report Posted March 3, 2008 How do the mechanic's of this rig increase your chances of a run,over the standard d-rig,i just cant see it. what can you achieve on this rig that is any different action wise than a standard hair rig with silicone tubing holding the boilie tight to the first bend on the hook,other than overcomplicating it because; the hair goes through the middle of your boily not allowing it to slide very well if at all; so it just holds the boily in one position?Just a question,to provoke a more analytical approach to your rigs,which in turn will make you the thinking angler,and more successful in the long run,cheers, not having a go just move the silicone up tighter!! Quote
chrisa112 Posted March 3, 2008 Author Report Posted March 3, 2008 Thanks for the tips I was just trying to think of a diff approch :S i understand what was said about the tubing being a hinderence so heres my final attempt at this kind of rig :S (Pics below) Ive put the tubing thatwaso n the shank over the hair and nicked the tubing ( through the hair loop) with the hookpoint - this stops it coming off the hook and stops its bending under the hook shank .... <>Chris P.S - if i had a float stop this would be alot easier :D Quote
jake5 Posted March 3, 2008 Report Posted March 3, 2008 Thanks for the tips I was just trying to think of a diff approch :S i understand what was said about the tubing being a hinderence so heres my final attempt at this kind of rig :S (Pics below) Ive put the tubing thatwaso n the shank over the hair and nicked the tubing ( through the hair loop) with the hookpoint - this stops it coming off the hook and stops its bending under the hook shank .... <>Chris P.S - if i had a float stop this would be alot easier :D To be honest mate that bit looks a mess :shock:But your get there in the end Quote
carpingod150 Posted March 3, 2008 Report Posted March 3, 2008 Actually, I can see that working, because as the carp sucks in the bait, the hook will follow, just behind, at the right angle to hook the fish. I think this would work best with a critically balanced bait, 'coz I think a pop up would mean the hook would float in the top of the mouth, a bottom bait would drag along the bottom, which may catch hold, but the critically balanced means the bait would be above the hook, with the hook hanging down. Heres a tip, get a piece of straight pipe about the diameter of a carps mouth, then cut the end so its about a 45 degree angle, and stick some small strips of foam on the angled end of the tube, on the inside where the fishes lips would be. Lay your rig out in a fishtank, then put one hand over the straight end of the pipe, so it's airtight, then position the 'mouth' over your rig, and move your hand, as the water rushes in to replace the air the rig will be sucked in, and you can see how effective the rig is in a real(ish) situation. If you didn't understand that, you never will, it's hard to explain Quote
chrisa112 Posted March 3, 2008 Author Report Posted March 3, 2008 THATS a good idea ill try it in my pond or the fishtank but i think im getting there on this ? ! ? thanks for your help, <>Chris Quote
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