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#59 & #60, nm - Do you still have the broken up boilie, nm? If so - what is the innards like now? Tbh - wont know unless you try them out if it works, but why wouldn't they. You've obviously thunk about it. What was the mix? Did you notice any difference when rolling it? - and how long did you set them aside to 'prove' before rolling/boiling?

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I would be reluctant to use the yeast on the basis that I don't know enough about the reactions that would/could occur with the ingredients I would possibly use during 'fermentation'. ie,.Blood Powder (lysine up or down?). (I'm a scaredy cat, scaredy cat, sittin on the door mat ) I would also look at alternatives - oh, I would (Deja vu re: enzymes) - Garlic powder! That said - the shop bought bait (boilie) which does contain the yeast additive is Goofies Danglies, so it obviously works.

,... OK, I for one will take your view on board, carpmachine. Now we know your opinion, would it be too much to ask that you leave the thread alone, by way of not commenting again so as those of us which wish to learn have, a) sanctuary, and b) those of us that wish to learn (because we don't know it all) can have a place without ignorance and attention seeking to ask our relevant questions without receiving irrelevant replies. Thank you for your anticipated acceptance of the request. Available in Large Print and Braille.

We appear to be singing from the same hymn sheet, nm. Certainly reading from the same one, at least. I, too, struggle to put my meanings in to a structure that makes sense. It makes sense to read it back, then I post, and see my errors. Usually too late to edit it by then, and to re-type or to re-arrange the post is often not time permissible. Anyway,... The answer to your question you first asked - does 'ph' play a part. I answered that the best I could at the time. I had written so much more in the previous attempts to post, that when it came to posting my final effort - my fingers were screaming for a rest and so much I wanted to say was omitted. As for the effect which enzymes play, and your open question regarding 'choice of ingredients dictate' (not sic) - then I would have to say yes, to my mind thought at least, although it would appear to contradict my thoughts in the first reply . Allow clarification here - I am ugly, not stupid. For myself to suggest that my choice of ingredients are better than A.N.Other's would be stupid. However, as is the ingredients that I choose to use, and the way in which I prepare them for end result - allows, in my mind at least - to retain the enzymes that the bait recipe was designed. (PLEASE NOTE - I now outsource my bait rolling, so the way in which I prepared the same ingredients to get end result has changed), however, I still feel I, or the rolling company, can retain the 'goodness' that I would like to think I am feeding. I know that the boilies will be heated longer and that the enzymes will be denatured to a degree, but I can ride with that. The recipe can be found here somewhere, and when you analyse it, although quantity isn't given - you will see that a lot of thought was given to the inclusion of certain ingredients over alternatives for this very reason.

nm, and hopefully Androoooo,... re: enzyme(s). I mentioned it earlier, but that was in passing, but as an open question - Is there/what alternative(s) anything you would use other than pineapple to activate the protease and amylase?

You've learnt that Conjecture doesn't make you a magician: Incongruence has nothing to do with being able to pee properly, and Hyperbole doesn't come with Spaghetti. :razz:

It is times like this, that I wish I had the wit and the wisdom of a 'pink' snooker ball. (eyebrows optional) Androoooo - Now that, imo, would be a chuffin shame, also in my opinion, a great loss to this message board. I hope you change your mind. I would love to have the opportunity to learn from your knowledge.

Shame on you for discombobulating a Pork Chop! You should know it is impossible to edjumikayte Pork! Vicar, you've been promoted. Don't suppose you want more tea? :mrgreen: Androoooo - Pineapple. Got to be pineapple, unless of course you have managed to utilise synsepalum dulcificum, which I'm sure you will agree - would really ficum up!

You are not neanderlithic, Tim. Being an 'ammer, your arms are longer. :razz: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Hi nm, For the third time of trying to reply to you. (Reply disappears when pressing post. Hopefully this works) The ph reading will very rarely be the same from 1 month to the next (not a truly accurate reading), but, I certainly accept that it plays a major part in attraction - obviously dependant on topography, depth, size, temperature, fish mass, ammonia, nitrite, nitrate etc, etc, - and I am also a firm believer in that a perfect bait will never be produced by human. How can it be possible. With so many connotations available on a specific lake, in say, Birmingham - it would be utter madness to think the fish in a lake the same size in the South of France would require the same diet in the month of May? . As research carried out shows, water with a higher ph was/is detrimental to fish. It slows the brain of a Carp down. (If you read some of the replies here, you'll soon see who has been drinking water with a ph of 36 ) With the slowing down in mind, and the benefits that Glutaminic has as a dietary 'requirement', personally I class it as the most important part of the puzzle. It certainly outweighs my concerns of ph change. As with the results I posted above - the research was carried out on Common Carp by feeding a single source, highly digestible, Fishmeal diet. (Nose, Watanabe) What I can say with *certainty* - a bait with a correct balance of Amino Acid will always be better for a Carp over a period of time/adjustment than a bait that contains 'quick fix' ingredients. Regardless of water ph. As an example to my thought process Certain times of the year, especially if we, here in the UK, are lucky enough to have hot, decent weather early on in the year, could see Carp spawn more than once. With spawning comes the inevitable injury - be it, as we humans would call it - physical as well as mental stress. Feeding a bait which contains the Amino's to help the Carp recover from the ordeal, in my opinion, has nothing to do with ph of the water. However, feeding a bait whereby the ingredients contain the Amino Acid to help recover, plays a vital part. Also, just as I mentioned Glutaminic - Cysteine is another AA that, personally, I believe plays a major part. The quicker it comes out - the quicker the proteins are working - the more bait the Carp is eating - the closer it is to the fish taking the hook-bait. In short, nm - I believe the difference that ph makes is vast - but I also believe that Carp are clever. *certainty* - I am certain - I am confident in my appraisal - it does not make my appraisal correct.

Condolences to you, Nige.

Horses for courses, so they say. I use shrink in almost every presentation, and at times, even doubling it up on the hook if the presentation dictates. It also makes for excellent booming if you're using braid hook-link.

When I try to post images - a box appears to allow the url addy to be pasted, but then nowt. The box just stays open. The only way to close the box is to actually leave the message board and return. It's a pita. Same for quoting. I can't get the quote to work. Do I have to enable something in the profile/account?

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Interesting read, John. I guess the crux falls down to Amino? Obviously, it also depends on what the fish is eating at any given time, just as it stands to reason that the size of the fish should be taken into account. With over 100 Amino Acids to choose from within nature, the protein count of structures to build a protein is almost infinite, yet only 20 Amino Acids (EAA and NEAA) are required to sustain Carp, and even then, the total of 20 is a contentious figure to quote, however, working on the assumption of the 20 (*10 EAA* and 10 NEAA), research carried out by the learned has produced some marvellous reading. On a daily basis, all things considered, and the Carp is a healthy fish, the daily requirement to maintain a healthy body is estimated to be very close to 1g per kilo of body weight, and for maximum Protein retention it is estimated to be 12g per kilo of body weight. However, the efficiency of Nitrogen utilization for Carp growth is estimated to be between 7g and 8g per kilo of body weight, with Crude Protein ranging from 30% to 38% being the optimal. As stated previously, this depends entirely on the diet that the Carp is eating and providing the diet contains sufficient digestible energy, the optimal Protein level can drop from 30%-38% to a level of between 30% and 35%. As mentioned above, the required intake differs depending on fish size, health of the fish at time of feeding, but studies carried out has given results as such: Essential Amino Acid daily requirements Arginine ---------- 4.3% of Protein ------------- 6.4% of Diet Histidine-----------2.1% of Protein ------------- 0.8% of Diet Isoleucine --------2.5% of Protein --------------0.9% of Diet Leucine -----------3.3% of Protein --------------1.3% of Diet Lysine -------------5.7% of Protein --------------2.2% of Diet Methionine -------2.1% of Protein --------------0.8% of Diet Phenylalanine ---3.4% of Protein --------------1.4% of Diet Threoline ---------3.9% of Protein --------------1.5% of Diet Trytophan --------0.8% of Protein --------------0.3% of Diet Valine -------------3.6% of Protein --------------1.4% of Diet Cysteine and Tyrosine can spare or even replace certain amounts of dietary requirement as is Methionine and Phenylalanine and as such, the reading(s) where relevant is thus: Cysteine ----------5.2% of Protein --------------2.0% of Diet Tyrosine ----------2.6% of Protein ---------------1.0% of Diet *The figure 10 EAA could be 9 EAA and 11 NEAA due to inconclusive study into Histidine. Some research states it is EAA whilst other research has stated it could be NEAA. Either way, it is, for topical debate in this conversation, being classed as an EAA. I 100%, whole-heartedly agree with your comment regarding bait, John. If you don't know what you're feeding them, how do we know it is good for them?

I believe that there will be boilies to buy in the very near future. Mwaaaaahhhhaaaa....Today Casino - tomorrow Beenleigh :mrgreen:

Hi citn. Don't limit yourself to fishing above the silt, mate. (not that I am saying you are) If you see Carp flopping over the top of your silt, it is a good sign that they have been burying their heads past the gills in the silt and are dancing across the water to clear them. (obviously this isn't always the case though) Maybe a hook with a boom hair would suit your purpose in the silt instead of following the norm. You certainly aren't doing too much, if anything wrong, what with the results you have had this week.

Hi, What boilies are available to purchase through tackle shops in NSW, and are they readily available? What price are they in store? Can they be purchased online in Oz? Thanks for any help.

Am you sure, mufty? www.youtube.com/watch?v=plZRe1kPWZw

'You could use pebbles?' Fred and Wilma might have something to say about that.

Cheers letters, I'll give Spotify a look.

Prof - is it anything specific you are looking for? If you have any more issues - take a look here www,banksidetackle.co.uk/ If you see anything you fancy buying - go for it, tell Finchy not to deliver (space for notes on the order form) - I will go pick it up and send it on to you willingly.

A very dear friend lives in Casino (no need to elaborate on what goes on their as a yearly event) and relays each year what gets taken out from the river that backs on to his garden. He is a Scotstraylian - Sweaty by birth but emigrated. As he says - you abide by the rules of the Country you live in. He wants to C&R, then he can - if he wants to kill the fish for food - he can. We as Brits have no right to be annoyed because other nationalities don't abide by our 'so high' standards. Swamptrout - what sizes do catch? Is boilie an established form of baiting or do you have your own method?

Listening to nothing at all now. The music powers that be have decided to close Grooveshark down.