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Just harder to roll!! Although I agree, defo worth it.

Have a look at the sonik ones mate.

Should do you well mate that.

Too light test curve rod IMO. You want minimum 3.75lb. Most spod rods are 4.5lb+. If I was you I’d pick up a Mitchel avocast spod reel for around £30, both the sonik vaderX spod or fox warrior spod are £50+ ish and you can get the braid in bulk from eBay Here

I fell foul of not thinking about a certain venue hard enough. Ultra low stock, 10 in 6 acres, my 3 fish have come from the first or second night fishing a spot, with no or little previous bait gone on them. Once I tried to feed heavier on those spots to keep them coming back then just didn't. It was either they spooked off the large beds of bait or obviously clean spots or they never got to the hook bait first due to untold amounts of tench and bream. I thought the latter at the time but now, especially after watching Terry's video I realised I'd overlooked the obvious. When I return there it'll be a handful of bait maximum on a spot. Think we all fall in to the trap at times, especially when things go your way at first, and if you cant visibly watch them then it is just a long wait until you realise!

Personally for me it all depends on the group, I fished one lake where we helped each other out and left swims well alone if others were baiting, to the extent that if we were there with fishing boshing over their spot we would ring each other telling them to get themselves down to the lake. We all respected each other and had a good friendship. Haven't encountered that since anywhere though, keep myself to myself and try not to tell people much, a lot of prying eyes nowadays. Fell victim to it on the estate lake where etiquette was almost non-existent apart from a few good eggs.

so does a drilled out and corked hook bait though? albeit less than a pop up but still reacts differently when fish are mooching about over the area.

Matching pop ups, cork dust if possible. Don’t like cork balls as I don’t trust flossing around that bait to keep it on. That’s been what’s caught me 90% of my fish for the last 2-3 years. Going to give the fluoros a go over winter again to see if I can put my confidence back in to them a bit to fish over a bed of bait. I do have 100% faith in my homemade pop ups however which are a washed out orange colour. Put one of them out and I’m confident I can nick a bite.

Yeah, it was just you asking if deano knew exactly what went in to them.

Not sure what that’s meant to imply but I’m assuming is some kind of weak insult somehow. Sadly im not insulted. Just in tears laughing once again.

It’s not my site 😂😂

I scrolled up. You basically quoted what you typed in your own post? I can see it on my screen. I mean the site must work pretty well then 😂😂 you can insult my intelligence all you want but I know how to work the site and you don’t 🤣

You had a whole conversation with yourself, disagreeing with and contradicting yourself. The quote box has your name because you typed it. You state you started using kryston in the early 90s and love it. Then quoted yourself and said it’s stinky winky 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️ This must surely be a wind up now

You clearly forgot to change profiles when you didn’t type something but you clearly did and then quoted it and said you didn’t. The text certainly didn’t post itself 😂😂 oh dear.

New profile then. What was the problem? Didn’t like the username Des Animaux?

So you use mainline, sticky, etc. Frozen baits as you said before. All those baits are available in shelflife version and it’s claimed they are EXACTLY the same apart from preservatives. Do you actually fish or are you a pretender? Bit hard to miss the bags of shelflife baits of those brands on the shelves 😂😂 anyway, I know where my bait comes from and I trust it much more than any big brand bait, all of which I’ve seen, tasted, felt and fished with. I know what goes in it and I know it’s HNV and palatable and has a track record from some high profile and tricky waters. Oh and btw. It’s made in a garage on the side of his house.

If you shout encouraging words at them and follow them like your their coach they let you past very quickly. Must be something to do with them being out for a casual ride and not wanting to be told their mile time is too slow and they’ll never win the tour da France like that’ 😂😂

I Take a minimum of 2kg with me at a time though. And use 10kg+ a month. Hence keeping them frozen is easier. Tbh preserved baits would be easier still but you can’t preserve some fish and meat meals properly for very long at all. I glug them in a high salt content liquid. Gives them a week or so life even through summer.

You know Nige is defo telling him you said that! 😂🤣

A Tupperware for each boilie? If not then I don’t think they do Tupperware’s big enough for more than half a kilo of 15millers? Do buckets work? ive heard loads about drying and curing, etc for storage of freezer baits. Personally I want to be using them as fresh as possible, especially fishmeals. Yeasty, cereal baits always benefit from 2-4 days unfrozen with some glug to activate them. That’s what I’ve found anyway.

Pretty sure cherry carp do frozen baits nowadays? Cyborx isn’t plugging them at all. Seems like you’re the one turning on anyone who has a different opinion than you. There was a member like you a while ago that was 300x worse tbh, don’t end up like him and his mates who joined to screenshot evidence of slander 😂😂 probably just tidy this thread up now mods and lock it off. It’s run it’s course

By basically saying what I said is utter rubbish. Just like cell boilies. You said before that you don’t like opinions rammed down your throat but you’re more than happy to ram yours down everyone’s? No one has disagreed with the fact these baits work, just they are not worth the price tag as they are basic mixes. Especially cell. I’d say your ultrabait probably was either not put in the right location or potentially too much for the fish on the chemoreceptors, etc. I’ve seen ‘ultrabaits’ fail too and be outfished by sweetcorn, in fact I’ve seen most boilies outfished by breadcrust or dog biscuits. Eggs are used as binders in bait, fresh egg is ideal (you wouldn’t make your toast and then sprinkle powdered egg on it) but due to liquid content and binding properties of other ingredients used then sometimes it’s not possible to use all fresh egg. Powdered egg is also ALOT cheaper than fresh egg, and easier to deal with. It also is just egg white whereas fresh egg included the yolks and the nutrition from that, which has to be factored in to the recipe. Personally I’d prefer to eat a real egg than powdered. Not sure you’re “5 eggs are filling” thing makes any sense when it comes to bait. Or any other recipe to be honest. Eggs go in cakes, yet a sponge cake is nowhere near as filling as the eggs used in it. Same principle as bait. Oh and you also get the eggshell which adds texture when using a whole egg. I’m going to stop now because 1. I’m bored and 2. You won’t open your mind but you are trying to force us to believe your opinion is fact. You’ll say I’m doing the same but I’m just repeating actual facts I’ve learnt. My opinion is that cell is rubbish, not worth the money, the same as sticky Manila, Nash Key, ccmoore tuna and a few others. I do rate some other baits in their ranges, XXX & scopex squid for example. I’m not trying to make anyone believe that as fact though.

They are using the new link and fyber at the minute I believe. You can make a bait with the exact same nutritional profile as the Cell with 4 ingredients. I have seen the data analysis to show it. All of those ingredients are cheap cereals. In bulk you can make it for around £3 a kilo of ingredients. Less if you bought ingredients in tonnes. No one has said these baits don’t work, it’s just that those who know about full nutritional requirements of fish know they don’t contain what the fish need. I’d rather use a bait that gives the fish a bit of everything. As Hutch said, carp can only use 38% protein from a food source. Personally the bait im using right now has a protein level of over 40%. Why? Because the 10 or so ingredients all have high protein levels but also other minerals, fats, etc. That benefit the carp. They are easily digestible because of the ingredients. They are extremely palatable to the fish (something often overlooked) They have a high nutritional value. Long term this type of bait will work for longer than your basic mixes. Again, you only have to look at suppliers and ingredients you can purchase to realise it’s nothing that can’t be replicated with ease in your kitchen as there’s is no secret yeast, I can buy it online, so can you. In the bait industry there is no major secrets, remember these guys used to share the knowledge back in the day. It’s a fairly close knit network behind the scenes. Suppliers don’t have loyalties either. Believe what you wish buddy, the cell, Manila, krill, key all work, they are still nothing super special and you’ll find much better quality at cheaper prices, with a longer track record. Btw lads, defo not CM. He wouldn’t call me out like that! Can we un-ban him now?

How hard do you think it is to buy a bag of bait, then send it off for chemical analysis? I could do it out my own pocket from home. You really think other bait companies don’t? I’ve seen the chemical analysis of it. And of a few other big name baits. I can personally guarantee you the levels of protein, etc. Are not as high as I want them in a bait. Digestabilty is the key with the cell. Quicker they pass it quicker they need to eat again. That’s where the easy to get hold of yeast ingredient comes in to play. Funnily enough other companies use that same ingredient and don’t call it special.

If it’s good enough for fish farms...