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By basically saying what I said is utter rubbish. Just like cell boilies. You said before that you don’t like opinions rammed down your throat but you’re more than happy to ram yours down everyone’s? No one has disagreed with the fact these baits work, just they are not worth the price tag as they are basic mixes. Especially cell. I’d say your ultrabait probably was either not put in the right location or potentially too much for the fish on the chemoreceptors, etc. I’ve seen ‘ultrabaits’ fail too and be outfished by sweetcorn, in fact I’ve seen most boilies outfished by breadcrust or dog biscuits. Eggs are used as binders in bait, fresh egg is ideal (you wouldn’t make your toast and then sprinkle powdered egg on it) but due to liquid content and binding properties of other ingredients used then sometimes it’s not possible to use all fresh egg. Powdered egg is also ALOT cheaper than fresh egg, and easier to deal with. It also is just egg white whereas fresh egg included the yolks and the nutrition from that, which has to be factored in to the recipe. Personally I’d prefer to eat a real egg than powdered. Not sure you’re “5 eggs are filling” thing makes any sense when it comes to bait. Or any other recipe to be honest. Eggs go in cakes, yet a sponge cake is nowhere near as filling as the eggs used in it. Same principle as bait. Oh and you also get the eggshell which adds texture when using a whole egg. I’m going to stop now because 1. I’m bored and 2. You won’t open your mind but you are trying to force us to believe your opinion is fact. You’ll say I’m doing the same but I’m just repeating actual facts I’ve learnt. My opinion is that cell is rubbish, not worth the money, the same as sticky Manila, Nash Key, ccmoore tuna and a few others. I do rate some other baits in their ranges, XXX & scopex squid for example. I’m not trying to make anyone believe that as fact though.

They are using the new link and fyber at the minute I believe. You can make a bait with the exact same nutritional profile as the Cell with 4 ingredients. I have seen the data analysis to show it. All of those ingredients are cheap cereals. In bulk you can make it for around £3 a kilo of ingredients. Less if you bought ingredients in tonnes. No one has said these baits don’t work, it’s just that those who know about full nutritional requirements of fish know they don’t contain what the fish need. I’d rather use a bait that gives the fish a bit of everything. As Hutch said, carp can only use 38% protein from a food source. Personally the bait im using right now has a protein level of over 40%. Why? Because the 10 or so ingredients all have high protein levels but also other minerals, fats, etc. That benefit the carp. They are easily digestible because of the ingredients. They are extremely palatable to the fish (something often overlooked) They have a high nutritional value. Long term this type of bait will work for longer than your basic mixes. Again, you only have to look at suppliers and ingredients you can purchase to realise it’s nothing that can’t be replicated with ease in your kitchen as there’s is no secret yeast, I can buy it online, so can you. In the bait industry there is no major secrets, remember these guys used to share the knowledge back in the day. It’s a fairly close knit network behind the scenes. Suppliers don’t have loyalties either. Believe what you wish buddy, the cell, Manila, krill, key all work, they are still nothing super special and you’ll find much better quality at cheaper prices, with a longer track record. Btw lads, defo not CM. He wouldn’t call me out like that! Can we un-ban him now?

How hard do you think it is to buy a bag of bait, then send it off for chemical analysis? I could do it out my own pocket from home. You really think other bait companies don’t? I’ve seen the chemical analysis of it. And of a few other big name baits. I can personally guarantee you the levels of protein, etc. Are not as high as I want them in a bait. Digestabilty is the key with the cell. Quicker they pass it quicker they need to eat again. That’s where the easy to get hold of yeast ingredient comes in to play. Funnily enough other companies use that same ingredient and don’t call it special.

If it’s good enough for fish farms...

3 lakes. Not many swims. I don’t fish it but I know it I always carry two nets. Just in case I get a miracle double take or take just as I land a fish. Sometimes it can happen on the hardest of venues.

I looked in to this stuff. There’s no actual published evidence that it does what it says. I also emailed asking for it and got no reply.

It’s the UV that kills the diseases. Not being dry. Most can lay dormant in dry/slightly damp conditions for a week or more. Places with no dips, or their own equipment, are a ticking time bomb IMO. You can’t trust every angler to do the right thing. Dips are annoying, and most aren’t maintained properly. But not a silly rule.

Don’t agree with this. It’s not a silly rule for no reason it’s to protect the business, club, etc. From potential devastating disease. It isn’t 100% effective. Not even 50% if done wrong but it’s better than 0%. You have idiots that don’t care at all. Point in case, Broadlands has had KHV confirmed, yes it’ll be laying dormant in these temps but it’s still transferable. There is anglers fishing it, not just for carp I may add. The pike anglers will be hitting it soon too. They are endangering every other fishery they come in to contact with as weather at the minute you won’t get 48hrs of sunshine to dry off kit thoroughly. You can’t control the anglers so forcing them to dip on the way in (if you do fish somewhere you have to then PLEASE dip on your way out too to stop you carrying anything out of there!) is the only control.

by ripping the flesh to create a larger hole that the barb will pull out easier from? 100% beaked point barbless hooks slip, as so every other barbless hook. You can disagree but I've witnessed it with my own eyes. Using fingers as Yonny said you 'pop' the hook out. minimal extra damage to the surface tissue. your way of turning the hook with forceps damages the deep tissue AND surface tissue. IMO thats worse than surface tissue damage only. I'd much rather pull a barbed hook out of my finger with the method I unhook the fish I catch than turning the barb inside my flesh and then ripping it out, it would hurt SO much more.

Yep, echo the others, apart from the micro rig swivels. They were so small I couldn't use them!

If I’m not testing anything then it’ll be a creamy flavour or a nut mix with a fruity flavour on it. Only because I’m changing venue though. If I wasn’t then I’d be inclined to just reduce the amount of fishmeals I’m using. I also tend to use a Brazil nut on one rod through winter. Not sure why I do it, and it’s never accounted for any extra fish but I just do.

Fox armapoint hooks being a brilliant example. "Improved" them with the new range that blunt as they hit the water! One cast per hook. great way to shift a lot of product though.

The black ops stuff has just been discontinued for the new range on sale soon. Cleverly just before Christmas of course! All the big names ‘re-design’ their kit and improve it. But sold the first version on the basis it was the best ever!!

Jewellers Eye Fine diamond file Vice That's what I use on the cheap. always one for a bargain.

let's translate it in to humans... it's the same as someone only eating preserved junk food all the time. science shows its bad for you. For the healthiest lifestyle you dont ever eat any, most have some as part of a varied and balanced diet. Those that dont end up obese with significant health problems and die young. That's exactly what this study tells us, feed them just preserved stinky winky or solely one food source then they will be unhealthy. same as humans. If you dont see value in this experiment then you dont believe the research in to obesity, etc. To prove a point you have to use extremes as BC said. what would be the point in an experiment that used a varied diet? there would be no control, no variables, no actual real outcomes or conclusions. Things have moved on since the research was conducted, and it would be interesting to see it replicated with modern day shelflifes but also using freezer baits too. This would see the overall quality difference between the two. Good dissertation for a student (not recommended as the tackle & bait industry wont like you very much for saying shelflifes are bad!)

just fill in the lake before they turn!!

Peanuts second to trout pellet. Makes you think doesn’t it.

It's a great tactic, especially where you only get challenged by the public. Bit different if landowners or staff turn up!! Not going to lie, I used it on a guy who I defo thought was an angler when I came ashore the other day. I mean the two big camo buckets didn't help my case though! But a saw, loppers, etc all fit with a "doing some vegetation clearance work" story, which is true, you're cutting a swim out!!

who owns it? Some official looking clothing, a boat and a few dip nets or something of the sort might be able to see you get away with at least one boat trip!! "just doing a weed and invert survey" being the get out of trouble card to passers-by. If you can do this then repeating the surveys every 3 months to build a base of data means you can sometimes make those trips out on a boat. I'd suggest finding the most difficult to access place you can, make it comfy for yourself, get kit in, leave it there.

Any islands? Boat out there

Do you think they were sensible enough to realise loads of anglers used to buy two? I.e. I always got two reminders in the post and two emails. So I was doubled registered. If every 3 rod angler was then angler numbers have actually been artificially higher anyway. Then again, there’s more than 130,000 carp anglers. I don’t see why they dropped the price anyway. I’d rather they increased it so they could find more enforcement officers as one per region is obviously not enough.

Only reason I mentioned it is because I accidently cut a groove in to the plastic connecting the bail arm to the line roller and I’ve got it leccy taped up to stop the line catching. Carpy yellow and green too!!

I feel like there’s been an increase in carpyness recently. I think we should take it back to the old school, dodgy banksticks, makeshift brollies, etc. That’ll get rid of the instant carper. I can see the next daiwa reel now, comes with taped on handle knobs and a cracked reel seat as standard.

The decline in license money is twofold: 1. They reduced the cost of it for us carp anglers. That’s £9 lost per 3 rod angler who since the change. 2. The lack of resource to actually check licenses means it’s easier than ever to get away with not having one. The impossible but best way to solve this is all fisheries are registered to an online system whereby to purchase a ticket (day, night, club book, syndicate) you have to use your license number. Fine the fisheries heavily if they don’t and they will bailiff it for you. But like I said, they can’t pay a 25k salary for a bailiff so how can they invest millions to create that system.

I’d not ignore putting out a good quality boilie. This is the time of year the fish go on the feed and put on weight. They’ll be searching for a good food source. Crumb it up and use halves to get it to settle on the silt. Don’t be afraid to fish in 3ft of silt. Just use a helicopter setup with a chod rig set 3ft up with a 1ft between the beads so it can settle nicely on top.