Steve,IF you qualify for Europa,and do ok in the league do you think,when the 2 legged games come into it you won't take it serious. The last 32/16 are seriously good teams,not the elite I agree,but still top quality footy teams. Considering we changed our manager and Klipperty never bought anybody I think,personally he's worked wonders with our team. 8th could be 6th and that's a fair return on a disrupted season.