jimmy_c

it's meant to be an excellent protein source for humans, repairs skin cartilage and the gut too, i take it myself and have often thought it would be great in a carp bait, wouldn't be surprised if some bait companies have been using it and keeping it under there hat

I think you could say the same of sweetcorn, as for tigers, because if you examine your stools after eating sweet corn, it's often often evident that corn is almost completely intact, yet it's universally accepted that sweetcorn is good for us. Also the fine flour or meal of tigers, may be coming out in a similar state it went in, but as the particles are finer, they're probably not as identifiable when they come out the other end, but if tiger nut flour is part of a boilie, alongside other ingredients used together they create a more valuable and complete food source, and are then suitable for consumption in larger quantities. So in the right amounts, i think insoluble plant fibres can be very good for both humans and fish, because your microbiome, (the colony of beneficial bacteria in your gut), feed on them, and with there being more bacteria organisms in the human gut, than there are people on the planet, the importance of the fibre that help maintain this colony of bacteria, which is something nutritional science is realising the importance of now more than ever, the same or similar is likely to be true of carp and many other animal species, though the exact species of bacteria in a fish's gut are probably slightly different to those in humans, but some or many of the strains will surely be similar to those found in humans imo. If as humans we were to eat nothing but the kind of fibre in tiger nuts though, then we would eventually become quite thin, and malnourished, so it is right to use tigers sparingly, or as part of a more complete boilie food source. This is also one of the reasons i think the unnatural vegan plant based diets being promoted at the moment aren't as healthy as some people think, but that's another story, In short in the right quantities fibre can be very healthy and an important part of both our, and the carp's diet, but as stated, i think fibre shouldn't be consumed in huge quantities all the time, i also think there will be times of year fibre is required more by the carp, like spring, because fibre also has detoxing qualities, that may help fish get rid of some of the parasites acquired through their winter torpor.

this article also says roasting or germinating tigers, increases the antioxidant levels, i think sprouted nuts, seeds and pulses can be a good edge for any bait, if your willing to do the extra prep, i've got some sprouted chick peas in the freezer i'm yet to use, but make sure you research prepare them properly, in some cases they can be dangerous.

i've only made milk with them before, was very nice, nicer than cows milk imo, quite expensive though, that bread sounds delicious

it's definitely is wise to prepare your tigers properly and use sparingly, but my thoughts on their nutritional value is a little different to what others say, whilst they mostly come out of carp undigested this does not necessarily mean the carp get no value from them. I think tigers are mostly prebiotic fibre, which is an insoluble fibre, it doesn't provide anything in terms of direct nutrients, but it is food for the microbiome or gut bacteria, because it is food for them. So this may be why carp like them so much, but they are also full of sugars, and contain a lot of calcium, more than milk i think, carp seem to find calcium rich foods very attractive, and this is probably why it's good to put the egg shells in when making boilies.

on the topic of flavouring plastic i remember when they were first out, and Frank Warwick saying that only certain types of flavour will penetrate them, i cant remember exactly what sort, maybe ethyl alcohol?, but i'm not sure. At the time enterprise did pots of flavour specifically designed for plastics, and i've still got a couple of pots, you might still find some on ebay if you do a search.

thanks, that's definitely an important consideration, i guess it could be worth trying in a in a paste, i think their are so many interesting products in the health food market, that are probably overlooked by a lot of anglers at the moment.

hi guys, i haven't used the forum much so i'm probably not a known member, but i'm just wondering if anyone's thought of using colostrum in their bait before, it sounds highly nutritious and very good for the immune system, it's expensive but a couple of capsules could go well in a milk protein bait, i thinks. It's made from the first milk a cow gives which contains all the important antibodies a new calf would need.

it would be interesting to know exactly what's in a spray, obviously the relevant flavouring, but what else, it would probably be more cost effective to buy a bottle of the flavouring and use a very small amount of it. Isn't that what came with the original dynamite baits pop ups Frank Warwick put his name to, i think with high attract singles people need to turn the thinking on its head, and either put no flavouring in them, or still use the flavouring but use darker and more natural colours, visually fish tend pick them out better, like the black foam people use for zig's.

yes i was wondering if it actually puts them of like people say, but it's probably just us that don't like the smell

i would second this advise, maggots go into suspended animation without oxygen, they don't die, but just switch off and stop metabolising so i don't think they'll be sweating much, the great thing about this is that they also stop wriggling so can't, this would make them safer in a cool bag too.

Imho a lot of angling equipment is designed to catch anglers more than fish, it's certainly a valid opinion to not compromise on end tackle, and whilst some of the Ngt gear isn't as good as the competition, some of it is almost identical. So often we get charged like a wounded rhino, for an item because it's Nash or fox.... etc, I've heard some real horror stories about Nash equipment, of recent note the scope rods, and I've had items from fox in the past, that really havent been up to the job, it may look pretty and earn q-dos among the carp fraternity, if it has a fancy name, it might even be good, but that's by no means a guarantee. If you want an opinion on a piece of Ngt equipment find someone with direct experience of an item, who's not a tackle tart, or even order it from somewhere you can send it back to after making a fair assessment of the quality for yourself.