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Over or under balanced both work, now after reading Yonny's comments I think it could work against us at times also. Slow sinking, I'm expecting the bait to move if stirred up and act more natural, like the rest of the freebies, That's always been over particles though. I don't balance boilies, or it very rare......Pop ups I will over weight ... I guess that's the same. I watched swans kick up all types of baits I'v put in , in deeper water than they can reach. Makes me wonder what actually happens when fish stir up baits...though these days I'm always wanting a resetting rig as its hard to keep a rig in the water for long with the bird(thug for) life

I though long & hard whether to post this or not but it's the way I feel and not intended to upset anybody , especially Stevo . The real tragedy here is that it was a 'special occasion game' so there were far more kids there than was usual during the 70's & 80's. Because of the violence and terracing a lot of mums were reluctant to let their kids attend a football game in that era but this was a semi final, at a different stadium and a day out. The demographic of the crowd was quite different that day and that also added to the loss of life . . . . . . put simply a child just can't resist the crush of a crowd in the way and fit man in his mid 20's can. It was perfectly normal as a kid at West Ham in the North Bank (Trevor Brooking behind the goal for all you youngsters) to be swept forward when a goal was scored and temporarily lose sight of your father. It was actually quite normal for all the kids to be put down the front by their parents. We were packed in like sardines and when grown men were jumping around excitedly it was almost impossible to stay in your position so I can absolutely understand how this tragedy happened. I feel very sorry for the Mum's who packed their kids off to watch a football game that day and never saw them return. Terrible . . . . . truly terrible. The way the police dealt with the ticket-less fans and their decisions and failure to cooperate caused panic and death. The police covered up their failings for a long time and it is completely wrong and corrupt. The fact that there were ambulances outside that could not get in was incompetence in the extreme and cost lives. All the above is true but there are a serious number of Liverpool fans who turned up that day without a ticket and started pushing and trying to gain entry to such an extent that they forced a panic decision on the police. They are also culpable and caused death. They had recent form in Heysel and even though the Juve fans and Police weren't blameless that day the Liverpool fans actions was in the minds of the police at Hillsborough. Justice for the 96? Perhaps? The victims families have undoubtedly been lied to and lost their loved ones unnecessarily. However I can't quite shift the image of Liverpool fans waving flags around the other day and announcing 'we always knew Liverpool fans were innocent' . . . . . . they weren't. A large number (hundreds) were equally to blame for the crush that day and now that is being swept under the carpet in the same way the policing and stewarding incompetence and corruption were swept under the carpet in any of the previous 27 years. The sign above the Liverpool town hall reads 'Truth & Justice' . . . . . . . . . I don't think either is accurate.