beanz Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 i was wondering if the bolt rig was named the bolt rig because it originally used a bolt ,im sure iv read this or been told it . but i read alot nowadays that makes me think its to do with bolting off but all fish do this on all rigs so which is it ? as a bolt tied on the line is the original death rig ,isnt it ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tenchedd Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 i think it implise that the fish hooks itself when it bolts. but thats my theory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 Beanz i think carping is taking its toll on you your cracking under the strain:p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 A bolt rig is called a bolt rig because the fish should feel instance resistance when moving the lead, thus panicing and bolting off. I think! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beanz Posted August 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 some one else must know how it got its name i cant of dreamt that......or did i Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coops_northants Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 some one else must know how it got its name i cant of dreamt that......or did i Did Frankensein un screw it first:D I thought it was a nut tied to the line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salokcinnodrog Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 Bolt Rig: To Bolt, as in to run away in panic. Yes, somebody has tried a Bolt on the line as a weight, but for a slightly different reason. Tied on with light line, in weedy or snaggy waters, to prevent the losing of 'expensive' leads. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patos1 Posted August 26, 2005 Report Share Posted August 26, 2005 the original hair rig was tied with a real hair (one of Lennie Middletons wifes if i remember rightly, correct me if i'm wrong) so who knows perhaps a bolt was used in the original bolt rig:) who am i tryin to kid, nicks right, its bolt as in RUN AWAY lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salokcinnodrog Posted August 27, 2005 Report Share Posted August 27, 2005 the original hair rig was tied with a real hair (one of Lennie Middletons wifes if i remember rightly, correct me if i'm wrong) so who knows perhaps a bolt was used in the original bolt rig:) who am i tryin to kid, nicks right, its bolt as in RUN AWAY lol lol The Bolt Rig was originally fished Minus the Hair Rig I think. It predated it by a couple of years(?) As for the Hair Rig I thought it was Brenda Maddocks who supplied the original hair, but Patos could be right. The idea of the Bolt Rig as its name suggests was to make the Fish Panic and give proper runs. Unfortunately at the time, fishing had got very difficult as the fish would just sit and twitch the indicators (sound Familiar), so a New rig was required that would go back to Screaming Runs. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patos1 Posted August 27, 2005 Report Share Posted August 27, 2005 lol The Bolt Rig was originally fished Minus the Hair Rig I think. It predated it by a couple of years(?) As for the Hair Rig I thought it was Brenda Maddocks who supplied the original hair, but Patos could be right. think you might be right nick, its been years since i read carp fever (my copy has long since vanished) i can remember kevin writing that they used a 'long dark hair' (good job it wasnt curly!!) and seem to remember it was Lennies wife but i'm probably wrong, it wont be the first time. they started side-hooking boilies before the hair instead of having the hook buried and the point obscured. this has the same effect as the hair ie. the hook point is exposed therefore theres more chance of it pricking a fish. love all this history stuff, i'm off to ebay now to look for a copy of said book:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patos1 Posted September 2, 2005 Report Share Posted September 2, 2005 Nick just received a copy of 'carp fever' i got from ebay. it cost me £5.20 inc. p+p BARGAIN, and is in almost new condition. i stand corrected, it was Kevs wife who supplied the hair for the first hair rig and not Len Middleton's. great book though and i'm as hooked (no pun intended) as i was when i first read it. have also got a copy of chris balls book 'king carp waters' on its way and am looking for a copy of tel's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salokcinnodrog Posted September 3, 2005 Report Share Posted September 3, 2005 Nick just received a copy of 'carp fever' i got from ebay. it cost me £5.20 inc. p+p BARGAIN, and is in almost new condition. i stand corrected, it was Kevs wife who supplied the hair for the first hair rig and not Len Middleton's. great book though and i'm as hooked (no pun intended) as i was when i first read it. have also got a copy of chris balls book 'king carp waters' on its way and am looking for a copy of tel's. Nice price, glad I wasn't here this week, or I would have been bidding against you. lol:D If you get In Pursuit of The Largest, be careful, as there are some "dodgy" copies about, that have half a chapter repeated and 1 missed out altogether.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick1396 Posted September 3, 2005 Report Share Posted September 3, 2005 The bolt rig gets it`s name from having the Bolt EFFECT and the original hairs for the hair rig came from Kevin Maddocks wife,it`s all in Carp Fever,still got my original first edition,alongside my original first edition of Phil Thompsons book aswell and no Chris I`m still not selling it! :D lol:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patos1 Posted September 3, 2005 Report Share Posted September 3, 2005 read something years ago where Kevin was talking about the development of the hair rig. they were testing the rig in a tank at Lennies house with some small carp. it was this article that mentioned the 'long dark hair' and i was certain it was in Carp Fever. after receiving my copy yesterday and looking for said story its not there:confused: anyone any ideas as to where this was written. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick1396 Posted September 3, 2005 Report Share Posted September 3, 2005 It is in there,look at pages 115 and 116. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salokcinnodrog Posted September 3, 2005 Report Share Posted September 3, 2005 The bolt rig gets it`s name from having the Bolt EFFECT and the original hairs for the hair rig came from Kevin Maddocks wife,it`s all in Carp Fever,still got my original first edition,alongside my original first edition of Phil Thompsons book aswell and no Chris I`m still not selling it! :D lol:D Waiting For Waddle? Can I mug you for it? lol I have read about the Tank Tests but I can't remember where I read it. I did think it was in Carp Fever, but now you've got me if you can't find it. I can remember all the theory behind the tests about how they would hook the fish on a standard hook rig and then watch the fish come on suck from a greater distance. I have a feeling there is a bit in Hutchy's "The Carp Strikes Back" with some of his tests as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick1396 Posted September 3, 2005 Report Share Posted September 3, 2005 Waiting For Waddle? Can I mug you for it? lol I have read about the Tank Tests but I can't remember where I read it. I did think it was in Carp Fever, but now you've got me if you can't find it. I can remember all the theory behind the tests about how they would hook the fish on a standard hook rig and then watch the fish come on suck from a greater distance. I have a feeling there is a bit in Hutchy's "The Carp Strikes Back" with some of his tests as well. Waiting For Waddle yeh that`s the one and No you can`t!! lol The tank test is in Carp Fever on pages 115/116. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patos1 Posted September 3, 2005 Report Share Posted September 3, 2005 it aint that bit mick, it went into much more detail than that. now if i hadnt misspent my youth getting my brain pickled........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salokcinnodrog Posted September 3, 2005 Report Share Posted September 3, 2005 Oh Well got to try. If anyone finds a copy of Carp Fever with my name (N. Gordon) in the front flysheet let me know I had my copy stolen with all my other Tackle about 3 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick1396 Posted September 3, 2005 Report Share Posted September 3, 2005 it aint that bit mick, it went into much more detail than that. now if i hadnt misspent my youth getting my brain pickled........ In that case I don`t know,maybe it was a later edition or a different book? or was it a mag article? I`m curious now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick1396 Posted September 3, 2005 Report Share Posted September 3, 2005 Oh Well got to try. If anyone finds a copy of Carp Fever with my name (N. Gordon) in the front flysheet let me know I had my copy stolen with all my other Tackle about 3 years ago. Yeh! :rolleyes: I know it`s an old book but I remember when it came out all the secret squirrel went mad,well on my waters anyway,but all of us beginners at the time loved it coz it blew the lid off it all,and some of those bait recipes that are in there I reckon would still be good today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salokcinnodrog Posted September 3, 2005 Report Share Posted September 3, 2005 The other book that Kevin Maddocks had out about the same time was "In Pursuit of Carp and Catfish", I know that it is not in there. Is it in one of the BCSG books? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick1396 Posted September 3, 2005 Report Share Posted September 3, 2005 Dunno I`ve got a few of them but can`t remember seeing it there. :confused: now we`ve done it,it`ll drive us mad now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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