brilliant thank you all so much thats really helped and cleared a lot up only thing im stuck on now is rigs iv heard a lot of talk on popped up bait etc would it be sufficent to use a abrasive resistant hooklink to a specific cat hook and a long hair with maybe seafish ie mackeral or something seen a good tip of using a section of line with a button on the bottom threqading it through the bait then tying it on the hook and using a bit of elastic band onto the hook to stop it sliding off