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I fished heron. That was my 3rd time on that lake. First 2 times I blanked but this time I was defo on the fish. There's another lake there called grove which is more of a runs water apparently.

thank you kev, you've been a real eye opener. i think ill get there early friday morning and have a good walk around. i never like to fish to clean of a spot because well everyone else does so the fish seem to just expect a bait there. i love fishing in silt with a pva bag and wafters as hook baits. spod a bit of particles over to get the grubbing even more then they would on naturals and its just something that works for me. (i regularly fish a very high pressured lake) just going to give it my all and even if i blank i know ill enjoy my time there and will end up going back. might even just keep it very light in the day time and just walk round with some tackle and a two rod set up fishing empty pegs for an hour then moving on to any showing fish then settle down and stick a 3rd rod on the evening.

Ross - the magical number is 40 degrees. Not for all, as the range is between 40 and 60 degrees, but 40 is the starting point. As for Nash, nm - they have just (relatively recently) spent £350'ish thousand on coming in to line with EU guidelines. Somewhere in amongst the vast amount of money will be a pressure cooker or a vacuum bath that doesn't quite get to 40 degrees, I imagine.

Your probably right Phil, your certainly right about it being imported from Spain, they even used the same bottles, just stuck another label on it I would think there would be some fats present as well as sugars (carbs) and a few nutrients. I made them with coke, milk, all sorts, ive even made tiger milk, thats nice In fact, this will please carpmachine, if it wasn't for boilies or steamies in my case id still be on Tigers, but I like to think I can offer a bit more nutrition, and I like making baits and the whole science about it. And even if I am wrong, at least its down on here to show others and hopefully steer others in the right direction