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Hi Cyborx I have been using barbless Muggas for a few seasons now , then I read good reviews of the ESP , but fishing barbless only waters I couldn't use them - until now . I can't say I'm unhappy with the Muggas , it's more a case of " is there something better available " . Hi Nick Hmm , yes as you and Cyborx say if it isn't broke don't fix it . you'd think those roosting Carp would be easy to catch , I guess they're just too sleepy ? .